Austalian mag oil comparison article...your $.02?
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I’m not surprised that you doubt and I don't blame you, I doubted it as well...I will gladly sponsor the dishwashing liquid for you to try it yourself. This is not the first type of magician’s trick I have seen that impresses people so much they open their wallets and fork out….
I imagine gear oil would work well in this test, since it is somewhat closer to its intended use.
Make no mistake oil is not always the most slippery/pressure resisting substance in such odd seizure simulating applications and at those temperatures. Naturally oils are made for a more diverse, torrid and realistic environment where they need to last and "dishwashing liquid" would just burn and solidify.
head & shoulders also does exceptionally well in some lubricant tests i have heard
The Timkin test is not evaluating the fluid film properties of an oil or grease. It is an open system test that does not replentish the lubricant. The test is looking at the EP and boundary lubrication properties of the fluid only.
I will be the first to admit that the Timkin test is a big time smoke and mirror tool that can be used with great marketing success. Done correctly, it can be a very impressive tool. But it is not a good judge of an engine oils prowess. It is only looking at one aspect of the fluids lubrication properties. An engine could never produce the extreme environment that can be produced with the test machine. So, one fluid that fails fast on the machine does not mean it would not perform as intended in an engine.
And a fluid that has very little boundary additive is going to fail the Timkin real fast. Including dish soap. Unless of course they fortified the soap with moly, antimone, or perhaps a chlorinated paraffin or other EP additive....(one eybrow lifted)
We have 4 of these portable testing units, and use them on occasion for presentations. But only for greases and open system lubricants.
We have a product that I can test on the machine that will run and run and run, without the test metal going to weld at all..and at tremendous pressures, while leaving only a slight scar (+/- 1mm on the ingot).
I have used the machine at trades shows and it always draws a good crowd that is very convinced after seeing the test.
However, there are those who realize that this is a very uncontrolled test environment and the possibility of test manipulation exists. That is why we had an independant lab do the tests in certified, control conditions, without bias.
We also know that there is a smoke&mirror factor with the test. That's why we use it at trade shows.
Motor oil mfgs that tout the Timkin OK load test are basically using it for marketing purposes only.
I will be the first to admit that the Timkin test is a big time smoke and mirror tool that can be used with great marketing success. Done correctly, it can be a very impressive tool. But it is not a good judge of an engine oils prowess. It is only looking at one aspect of the fluids lubrication properties. An engine could never produce the extreme environment that can be produced with the test machine. So, one fluid that fails fast on the machine does not mean it would not perform as intended in an engine.
And a fluid that has very little boundary additive is going to fail the Timkin real fast. Including dish soap. Unless of course they fortified the soap with moly, antimone, or perhaps a chlorinated paraffin or other EP additive....(one eybrow lifted)
We have 4 of these portable testing units, and use them on occasion for presentations. But only for greases and open system lubricants.
We have a product that I can test on the machine that will run and run and run, without the test metal going to weld at all..and at tremendous pressures, while leaving only a slight scar (+/- 1mm on the ingot).
I have used the machine at trades shows and it always draws a good crowd that is very convinced after seeing the test.
However, there are those who realize that this is a very uncontrolled test environment and the possibility of test manipulation exists. That is why we had an independant lab do the tests in certified, control conditions, without bias.
We also know that there is a smoke&mirror factor with the test. That's why we use it at trade shows.
Motor oil mfgs that tout the Timkin OK load test are basically using it for marketing purposes only.
We do regular Timken tests on oils and have done for years. Dishwashing liquid does not work. There are noticeable differences betwen regular oils. Search my previous posts for info.
Maybe our brand of dishwashing liquid will meet the GL4 rating
...I must admit it is very good stuff and super slippery. Anyway believe it or not.
So does the cheese Taco Bell uses on their nachos.
This is the ancient Falex test. I think it was developed for testing gear oils. I once saw a guy doing oil testing using this type of equipment at the Colorado State Fair. Various motor oils were tested and then the guy used an oil supplement he was trying to sell.
The test can be faked in various ways. You can put stuff in that will cause the results to be incorrect. That is one thing.
According to the testing the guy did Mobil 1 was not as good as conventional motor oils! Back in those days when Mobil 1 was a PAO I think it was better than the typical conventional motor oil.
The test can be faked in various ways. You can put stuff in that will cause the results to be incorrect. That is one thing.
According to the testing the guy did Mobil 1 was not as good as conventional motor oils! Back in those days when Mobil 1 was a PAO I think it was better than the typical conventional motor oil.
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