I can't speak for the veracity of the testing, but I enjoyed reading the article. Thanks for posting this. I really enjoyed that. Interesting if nothing else.
Austalian mag oil comparison article...your $.02?
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If you look at this test, and also take a look at the dyno testing at Automotive General Topics- You will see the RP is doing well in both these tests. This oil seems to like these tests. Could it be so that this oil is just a good oil, but have been neglected here at BITOG, since it costs more than 49 cents? I don't know, but these tests(and others, indicates this is the case). I have been using RP for extended drains for some years now, in one of my cars. Even if it is a small diesel turbo and it have to work hard all the time, I do 18-20000 mile OCI's. My last UOA was done at 16200 miles on the oil, and was OK. The car has 115000 miles on the odometer.
All right , all right already. Since this is the definitive test of motor oil now, lets all run out and get a bottle of DuraLube and pour it into the engine. Oh, wait bleach works great in that test too. Oh you BG fan put in some MOA and presto chango you have one of a number of SUPER OILS. Heck MOA and DuraLube you can use WM brand Dino and you're done.
That test is #@$%!. Has been shown to be over and over in REAL engine by UOA anyone seen the section with RP not doing so well??? Sure some really good ones but other not so good. That stuff should be beyond stellar based on those results.
That test for an article is just ridiculous.
That test is #@$%!. Has been shown to be over and over in REAL engine by UOA anyone seen the section with RP not doing so well??? Sure some really good ones but other not so good. That stuff should be beyond stellar based on those results.
That test for an article is just ridiculous.
Hi, ewetho. I tried Amsoil series 3000 5/30 two years ago. It is a rather good oil, but not as good as RP, in my opinion. I can understand you want to have better performance from that oil, and good luck with your use of DuraLube. I am quite sure it will do some "magic" with the Amsoil you are using now. Especially if you use bleach in it, too.
For some reason RP is bashed alot here.doesnt matter to me as I know many people who run this in their vehicles with no regrets and or problems.Let the haters have their day,make all the excuses,it's all too funny
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For some reason RP is bashed alot here.doesnt matter to me as I know many people who run this in their vehicles with no regrets and or problems.Let the haters have their day,make all the excuses,it's all too funny
RP may protect like liquid sunshine but this test won't prove it. Street Commodores DID indeed print a retraction and apology to its readers. I can't find the link but here's a link to a Noria thread where the guy doing the testing for the mag actually asked for an opinion on their regime. Read the Redline guy's reply. It sums things up.
http://forums.noria.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/616604995/m/8381065241
Oh, and the link to that apology: http://www.streetforce.com.au/news/01_oils_aint_oils.php
Do you have a link to the new article which "sets the record straight".
Thanks Brian for posting the link to the Redline dudes reply. I am not really putting much stock in the test or the reply. I know if my oil performed like most of those oils I would give a song and dance as to why the test is worthless, I mean you would really be forced to. It is a very damaging piece, whether it is legit or not.
Do some searching on here for "Timken" or "Timken test" It is similar. Yes, it's an effective test for some purposes but it is NOT an end all be all test for motor oils. If people don't want to understand that, it's not my problem. I'm just posting the links.
The Timkin OK load test is used to evaluate extreme pressure (EP) ability of a lubricant.
The EP requirement of a motor oil is of more importance with older engines that used non roller lifters, thus the need for ZDDP additives that contain zinc and phosphorus.
The thing I noted in that test were the better performing oils had older API ratings or no API rating in the case of racing oil that would normally have higher levels of ZZDP than more current SM/SL CJ/CI rated oils where emission mandates have required reductions of ZDDP usage.
And thats why I still use the older rated oils in my older equipment as I feel emission mandated oils are NOT better lubricants.
The EP requirement of a motor oil is of more importance with older engines that used non roller lifters, thus the need for ZDDP additives that contain zinc and phosphorus.
The thing I noted in that test were the better performing oils had older API ratings or no API rating in the case of racing oil that would normally have higher levels of ZZDP than more current SM/SL CJ/CI rated oils where emission mandates have required reductions of ZDDP usage.
And thats why I still use the older rated oils in my older equipment as I feel emission mandated oils are NOT better lubricants.
Which is the reason for the mag trying to "set the record straight".
If the test is not legit, it should be discounted so as to now be damaging. However, most folks won't do that.
Well, it looks like the magazine printed a statement with integrity stating the doubts pretty clearly.
Of course, a lot of harm may have previously been done as a result.
I noticed the test used a lot of thick oils, those must be popular down under eh mate?
Of course, a lot of harm may have previously been done as a result.
I noticed the test used a lot of thick oils, those must be popular down under eh mate?
I have seen this test done with Sun Light liquid (a well known brand of dish washing liquid) and it outperforms all oils, but then try run that at 120 degrees C for 8 hours and see what happens...
It's pretty clear to me that those clowns at the magazine know so little about what happens in an engine that they use a bearing test for a motor oil and it just so happens that some motor oils prevent a grinder from cutting into a bearing....and which part of an internal combustion engine does this replicate??? hhhmmm....shame and people buy into this kind of horse cr_p....whaaaaaa
It's pretty clear to me that those clowns at the magazine know so little about what happens in an engine that they use a bearing test for a motor oil and it just so happens that some motor oils prevent a grinder from cutting into a bearing....and which part of an internal combustion engine does this replicate??? hhhmmm....shame and people buy into this kind of horse cr_p....whaaaaaa
I doubt very seriously you have seen a dishwashing liquid outperform quality lubricants on a Timkin test. The heat of the test would probably cook it up real fast...although I've never actually tested soap before.
And the heat produced during the test is why conducting at room temperature is a moot point. Prior to the test ingot going to full weld, there will be plenty of smoke and heat around.
I just about guarantee that I can take any motor oil on the market, dino or otherwise, and add just one component, and that particular elixer will outperform every other oil on the shelf...in the Timkin OK load test.
But it won't mean diddly as to how motor oil will perform in it's intended application.
The Timkin load test is a pretty impressive smoke & mirrors type test that is visually impressive. But it is not a good way to judge a motor oil.
It makes for good marketing though.
And the heat produced during the test is why conducting at room temperature is a moot point. Prior to the test ingot going to full weld, there will be plenty of smoke and heat around.
I just about guarantee that I can take any motor oil on the market, dino or otherwise, and add just one component, and that particular elixer will outperform every other oil on the shelf...in the Timkin OK load test.
But it won't mean diddly as to how motor oil will perform in it's intended application.
The Timkin load test is a pretty impressive smoke & mirrors type test that is visually impressive. But it is not a good way to judge a motor oil.
It makes for good marketing though.
Repeatability???? Integrity???? Relevance????
Just my opinion, but I would bet a quart of green GC that the lawyers came out to play. Therefore the retraction and apology.
Rickey.
Just my opinion, but I would bet a quart of green GC that the lawyers came out to play. Therefore the retraction and apology.
Rickey.
I'm divided on the relevance of these EP type tests on motor oils. I have to wonder if there are some limited areas and conditions where boundry lubrication is at work and if some relevance could be found there.
Piston ring/land and valvetrain areas come to mind.
Of course motive or lack of motive in the testers mind is another issue alltogether.
Rickey.
Piston ring/land and valvetrain areas come to mind.
Of course motive or lack of motive in the testers mind is another issue alltogether.
Rickey.
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