Nothing quite like a good ol sight glass.Neither of my 2005 Mercedes have a dipstick.
The Packard* doesn’t either.
Not exactly a new thing.
*It has a mechanical gauge. Visible from outside the engine. Dipsticks were for lesser cars.
Nothing quite like a good ol sight glass.Neither of my 2005 Mercedes have a dipstick.
The Packard* doesn’t either.
Not exactly a new thing.
*It has a mechanical gauge. Visible from outside the engine. Dipsticks were for lesser cars.
mercedes was the first to do the dipstick delete cap with the 2001 C32 AMG. they also deleted the oil pressure sensor because the engine was so reliable it didn’t need oneNeither of my 2005 Mercedes have a dipstick.
The Packard* doesn’t either.
Not exactly a new thing.
*It has a mechanical gauge. Visible from outside the engine. Dipsticks were for lesser cars.
Not a sight glass.Nothing quite like a good ol sight glass.
Mercedes finally caught up to Packard 70 years later…mercedes was the first to do the dipstick delete cap with the 2001 C32 AMG. they also deleted the oil pressure sensor because the engine was so reliable it didn’t need one
unfortunately they still have permanent dipsticks on a few engines
Oh boy.Not a sight glass.
A gauge.
Far more sophisticated. A float drives a small gear that moves a pointer. the pointer shows the level.
back then you would need an assistant to open the hood and check it for you, not goodMercedes finally caught up to Packard 70 years later…
Depends, enterprise has an internal system that tracks oil changes and tire rotations and doesn’t allow a car to be rented until the rep checks that the service has been done. It’s not uncommon for the service lube place to not reset the reminder especially in Toyotas where it’s a pain in balls to reset. Enterprise system I believe just defaults all cars to 5000 mile oci for a LOFR outside of the exotic stuff. The oil changes are required by them to be full synthetic changes.This sounds a bit like the conversation I had with a rental car agent in Nova Scotia. My rental car was asking for an oil change. "No need..." the agent said, she "... had checked the oil level herself and it was fine."
Not completely clueless (she at least knew how to check the oil level and that a certain oil level had to be maintained), but semi clueless.
What are you supposed to say? It was a teachable moment. But it's not my job to teach motor mechanics to rental agents. So I said nothing.
That sounds like a good approach, though I'd suggest they not deal with anyone who doesn't automatically and always reset the service reminder, Toyota or not. Otherwise the customer (ie me) has to deal with a service overdue light every time I start the car. And who wants to drive a car that has "service overdue". Not me.Depends, enterprise has an internal system that tracks oil changes and tire rotations and doesn’t allow a car to be rented until the rep checks that the service has been done. It’s not uncommon for the service lube place to not reset the reminder especially in Toyotas where it’s a pain in balls to reset. Enterprise system I believe just defaults all cars to 5000 mile oci for a LOFR outside of the exotic stuff. The oil changes are required by them to be full synthetic changes.
Source:worked enterprise in college 10+ Years ago and travel quite a bit for work and rent cars through national.
Same, I'm getting reimbursed. He even asked how much I'll think it would cost? A good qt. of Syn 0w20 is like $8. Considering the last rental they gave me had 3 bald tires. I wasn't pleased when I found that out in the rainstorm the following day. I informed them,, was polite about it because returning a car with a warning light implicates me as the reason it's on.Exactly. I don't remember if it was Hertz or Avis but somehow I got a car that went out 2 quarts low. I bought oil at the station when I gassed up and fortunately thought to ask for a receipt which came in handy at the return counter when I mentioned that the car was low on oil when I got it. They reimbursed me since I was able to prove both that the car was still 'low' (above the 'add' mark but just barely) and that I'd purchased oil while I had the car in my possession.
So this^^ I don’t understand...”vacuum purposes”.Now? You are 17 years late.
In case of Audi, there is tunnel, but dipstick is not added. One can get for $18 and add it. It is not to save money but bcs. vacuum purposes.
BMW run the crankcase at vacuum, there is a vacuum pump specifically for this reason. Leave the oil cap off, or if there was a dipstick, not fully inserted, and you will get a check engine light, and it will run terrible as you have a huge vacuum leak. When a front or rear main oil seal fail, the first sign is noise like a moaning as air is being pulled INTO the crankcase, they won’t leak oil while running, only after being shut off. Take off the oil cap and the noise will stop.So this^^ I don’t understand...”vacuum purposes”.
The only things I’ve found as to why the elimination of dipsticks in some brands is that the consumer aren’t checking their own oil, so therefore no reason to add a dipstick. Which I also find to be not really true because I can’t see why a company like Audi/BMW/Mercedes would even bother with a study like that.
As for vacuum, I haven’t seen anything on the internet about crankcase vacuum - as far as I knew/know the crankcase isn’t where vacuum is generated anyway, it’s the intake manifold - the crankcase is where excessive pressure is created from blow by past the rings. And the PCV system has to eliminate that pressure/blow by by evacuating the crankcase of those gases. A vacuum is pulled on the crankcase, but the crankcase itself should not have vacuum in it, in fact for this system to work there has to be a vacuum “leak” to evacuate the gases.
So I do think $$money has something to do with manufacturers eliminating the dipstick, they’re not going to tell you that (and I don’t blame them). But these manufacturers will go out of their way to save I penny on a vehicle (way out of their way to save a penny). To think they could save dollars on a dipstick? Bye bye dipstick. And I understand an oil level sensor costs something, but I imagine the sensor and whatever interface they add to their software is penny’s compared to 3 feet of metal with a handle and O-ring on it (and machining of a oil level graphic). IMO
Oh wow, didn’t know that. No throttle body? Never in my life have seen a car without one. Interesting.BMW run the crankcase at vacuum, there is a vacuum pump specifically for this reason. Leave the oil cap off, or if there was a dipstick, not fully inserted, and you will get a check engine light, and it will run terrible as you have a huge vacuum leak. When a front or rear main oil seal fail, the first sign is noise like a moaning as air is being pulled INTO the crankcase, they won’t leak oil while running, only after being shut off. Take off the oil cap and the noise will stop.
There is no manifold vacuum because there is no throttle body to allow vacuum to form.
BMW introduced Valvetronic almost 15 years ago which eliminated the need for a throttle body. They still have one but it is just as a backup in case of Valvetronic system failure.Oh wow, didn’t know that. No throttle body? Never in my life have seen a car without one. Interesting.
I imagine these things must have some problems when Mileage gets higher and gaskets start to leak?
Depends, enterprise has an internal system that tracks oil changes and tire rotations and doesn’t allow a car to be rented until the rep checks that the service has been done. It’s not uncommon for the service lube place to not reset the reminder especially in Toyotas where it’s a pain in balls to reset. Enterprise system I believe just defaults all cars to 5000 mile oci for a LOFR outside of the exotic stuff. The oil changes are required by them to be full synthetic changes.
Source:worked enterprise in college 10+ Years ago and travel quite a bit for work and rent cars through national.
Not really, that gets tracked and is a fireable offense, from my hazy recollection we’d just tell the customer to sit tight and delay pickup and run it over to the quick lube place. Extremely unlikely that you’d skip that.It’s probably not uncommon for someone to overlook the need and just check the box in the system and say it was done.
You mean practically every customer than, Rental business is about car sales, On a 95+% occupancy rate I think the margin on a consumer rental is about 8-10% everyone runs a similar business model, obviously a scenario like that you dump that car on an insurance renter who likely can reschedule 30-45 minutes or someone with no loyalty status, definitely not on a senior citizen since they actually take the ESQI calls.Has to be a hard up customer to wait for that.
So i think mouseSo this^^ I don’t understand...”vacuum purposes”.
The only things I’ve found as to why the elimination of dipsticks in some brands is that the consumer aren’t checking their own oil, so therefore no reason to add a dipstick. Which I also find to be not really true because I can’t see why a company like Audi/BMW/Mercedes would even bother with a study like that.
As for vacuum, I haven’t seen anything on the internet about crankcase vacuum - as far as I knew/know the crankcase isn’t where vacuum is generated anyway, it’s the intake manifold - the crankcase is where excessive pressure is created from blow by past the rings. And the PCV system has to eliminate that pressure/blow by by evacuating the crankcase of those gases. A vacuum is pulled on the crankcase, but the crankcase itself should not have vacuum in it, in fact for this system to work there has to be a vacuum “leak” to evacuate the gases.
So I do think $$money has something to do with manufacturers eliminating the dipstick, they’re not going to tell you that (and I don’t blame them). But these manufacturers will go out of their way to save I penny on a vehicle (way out of their way to save a penny). To think they could save dollars on a dipstick? Bye bye dipstick. And I understand an oil level sensor costs something, but I imagine the sensor and whatever interface they add to their software is penny’s compared to 3 feet of metal with a handle and O-ring on it (and machining of a oil level graphic). IMO
If it was about saving money, then VAG would have saved even more by also eliminating the dipstick tube like in some BMW engines, but they didn't.So I do think $$money has something to do with manufacturers eliminating the dipstick,