Depends on car, engine/system condition, gas, driver & driver's wallet.
Are gas additives really needed these days??
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Originally Posted By: NMBurb02
[quote=Bottom Feeder
Actually, the PEA cleaners are supposed to work best when used with short trips, which gives the cleaners time to "soak" the injector components and intake valves.
+1.....and verified by a recent article and study on this site.
I have use PEA FSC (Redline and Gumont AIO) over the years and have been pleased with the results.
I use to use it during long trips...but now use it prior to an oil change when doing a fair amount of short-tripping.
[quote=Bottom Feeder
Actually, the PEA cleaners are supposed to work best when used with short trips, which gives the cleaners time to "soak" the injector components and intake valves.
+1.....and verified by a recent article and study on this site.
I have use PEA FSC (Redline and Gumont AIO) over the years and have been pleased with the results.
I use to use it during long trips...but now use it prior to an oil change when doing a fair amount of short-tripping.
Originally Posted By: Oregoonian
Originally Posted By: NMBurb02
[quote=Bottom Feeder
Actually, the PEA cleaners are supposed to work best when used with short trips, which gives the cleaners time to "soak" the injector components and intake valves.
+1.....and verified by a recent article and study on this site.
I have use PEA FSC (Redline and Gumont AIO) over the years and have been pleased with the results.
I use to use it during long trips...but now use it prior to an oil change when doing a fair amount of short-tripping.
That's exactly how I use it now, if I plan on using it.
Originally Posted By: NMBurb02
[quote=Bottom Feeder
Actually, the PEA cleaners are supposed to work best when used with short trips, which gives the cleaners time to "soak" the injector components and intake valves.
+1.....and verified by a recent article and study on this site.
I have use PEA FSC (Redline and Gumont AIO) over the years and have been pleased with the results.
I use to use it during long trips...but now use it prior to an oil change when doing a fair amount of short-tripping.
That's exactly how I use it now, if I plan on using it.
Originally Posted By: BigCahuna
The only times I've ever used a fuel system cleaner, is in vehicles that have sat for long periods. Like an old motorcycle that's put in the garage and forgotten about for 5 years.
Thats what I do. After storage, Regane goes in.
The only times I've ever used a fuel system cleaner, is in vehicles that have sat for long periods. Like an old motorcycle that's put in the garage and forgotten about for 5 years.
Thats what I do. After storage, Regane goes in.
IMO, using a top tier gasoline, like Chevron (don't know who sells to Cosco) should keep your fuel system clean. I use Chevron almost exclusively, except when driving in regions where Chevron isn't available. Even then, about once a year I put in a bottle of Techron Complete Fuel System Cleaner just for giggles. Unless someone uses El Cheapo gas, especially the gas that smells stale while you're pumping it, fuel additives probably aren't needed. Since drivability issues can have several symptoms that may not seem related to "poor" fuel use people convince themselves that they "never" need to use a fuel treatment. To each his own.
I've known people that buy high end cars, and then put the cheapest gas in that they can find. Go figure!
I've known people that buy high end cars, and then put the cheapest gas in that they can find. Go figure!
Additional PEA cleaners are a great idea. Once or twice a year .
We want our injectors clean and balanced. And having clean valves and CCs is a good thing, as well.
There isn't enough cleaners in gas to really keep things in tip top shape.
We want our injectors clean and balanced. And having clean valves and CCs is a good thing, as well.
There isn't enough cleaners in gas to really keep things in tip top shape.
Using more PEA isn't better, follow the directions on the bottle.
With PEA after a certain concentration there is no more effectiveness and then you just waste money.
With PEA after a certain concentration there is no more effectiveness and then you just waste money.
I'm overkill. FP60 Plus every fill up and Redline just before an oil change.
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Originally Posted By: ARB1977
I'm overkill. FP60 Plus every fill up and Redline just before an oil change.
No, I'm overkill, LOL!
Though it sounds like you enjoy partaking in an overkill approach to fuel system maintenance
I'm overkill. FP60 Plus every fill up and Redline just before an oil change.
No, I'm overkill, LOL!
Though it sounds like you enjoy partaking in an overkill approach to fuel system maintenance
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
No, I'm overkill, LOL!
Though it sounds like you enjoy partaking in an overkill approach to fuel system maintenance
I know there's only one overkill. Yeah I do enjoy it though.
No, I'm overkill, LOL!
Though it sounds like you enjoy partaking in an overkill approach to fuel system maintenance
I know there's only one overkill. Yeah I do enjoy it though.
Are fuel additives needed? In my opinion no, but running a good quality fuel system cleaner once or twice a year is a good maintenance plan.
Problem with this routine is that in most cases the driver will not feel any difference in engine operation, but that doesn't mean the cleaners are not working. All it means is that everything was clean enough to not cause drivability problems.
Problem with this routine is that in most cases the driver will not feel any difference in engine operation, but that doesn't mean the cleaners are not working. All it means is that everything was clean enough to not cause drivability problems.
top tier yo
Originally Posted By: oldhp
Have always used Techron, SeaFoam and STP Fuel Injection cleaner.
All engines have always idled, drove and performed just like new.
Too wide of "go, no-go" specs of fuel loaded into tankers.
The other day because of a mistake, 100% ethanol was loaded into tanker and delievered. Messed alot of cars up.
Same can happen to every day fuels and you'll never know it until car starts running rough.
Agreed! I run premium in my little old plow tractor, one day it smelt funny and smoked quite a bit. Turns out the tanker that filled our small town gas station had some diesel in the premium compartment. No harm done... but that illustrates your point quite well, its also a name brand fuel.
Have always used Techron, SeaFoam and STP Fuel Injection cleaner.
All engines have always idled, drove and performed just like new.
Too wide of "go, no-go" specs of fuel loaded into tankers.
The other day because of a mistake, 100% ethanol was loaded into tanker and delievered. Messed alot of cars up.
Same can happen to every day fuels and you'll never know it until car starts running rough.
Agreed! I run premium in my little old plow tractor, one day it smelt funny and smoked quite a bit. Turns out the tanker that filled our small town gas station had some diesel in the premium compartment. No harm done... but that illustrates your point quite well, its also a name brand fuel.
Originally Posted By: Doog
I say yes. But only once every 15-20,000 miles. They do keep the fuel injectors and throttle body clean in the long haul.
How does a fuel additive keep a tb clean. Fuel never gets near it,just air.
I say yes. But only once every 15-20,000 miles. They do keep the fuel injectors and throttle body clean in the long haul.
How does a fuel additive keep a tb clean. Fuel never gets near it,just air.
back side of the tb is exposed to vapors
Originally Posted By: steve20
back side of the tb is exposed to vapors
How. I can see it with a few drops evaporating at shut off otherwise the engine is sucking,so I don't buy the vapour idea
back side of the tb is exposed to vapors
How. I can see it with a few drops evaporating at shut off otherwise the engine is sucking,so I don't buy the vapour idea
Doesn't matter, it's still true!
In a typical port fuel injection motor the manifold operates at a vacuum, but the TB is sitting nearly closed at idle while PCV is drawing from the crankcase.
Many TB's have a special coating only on the back side just for the deposits that can build up.
In a typical port fuel injection motor the manifold operates at a vacuum, but the TB is sitting nearly closed at idle while PCV is drawing from the crankcase.
Many TB's have a special coating only on the back side just for the deposits that can build up.
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