Both Red line and Motul are ester based (added?) oils, they claim that the Ester based oils adhere to metal parts better than other synthetics, is there any truth in that?
Are Ester based Synthetics really better ?
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yes, esters ahere to metal and pao's do not..
JHZR2
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That is true. Is there any practical benefit for pcmos driven normally, given the slew of other things that could ruin a motor oil first??? Well that's where the arguments lie.
I dont know that we've seen a bona fide wear reduction that was compelling...
I dont know that we've seen a bona fide wear reduction that was compelling...
FWIU, esters are highly polar, so should adhere to metal parts well.
As to whether ester based syns as fully formulated oils are superior to Grp IV or Grp III fully formulated oils, there is nothing in the UOA forum here to indicate that to be the case.
As I'm sure you know, there's a lot more to a finished oil than the basestock used.
As to whether ester based syns as fully formulated oils are superior to Grp IV or Grp III fully formulated oils, there is nothing in the UOA forum here to indicate that to be the case.
As I'm sure you know, there's a lot more to a finished oil than the basestock used.
Sounds great.
But how does this apply inside an auto engine?
I know motors that after years of storage with cruddy used oil still have oil in the bearings and on pistons/rings.
But how does this apply inside an auto engine?
I know motors that after years of storage with cruddy used oil still have oil in the bearings and on pistons/rings.
It's true and they are generally superior to other less expensive base oil stocks such as GP III syn's for a number of reasons in addition to their polar nature such as high heat tolerance and naturally high VIs.
Esters don't often up 100% of the base stock oil used in a formulation. With RL all their oils are POE/PAO formulations.
As with most things it comes down to cost.
If cost was no concern most of us would use ester based lubes.
Can you formulate a more than satisfactory engine oil for use in less demanding applications using cheaper base oils? Of course.
Do I use ester based oils? Absolutely.
I have RL gear oil in most of my cars and FUCHS in my Caterham.
Esters don't often up 100% of the base stock oil used in a formulation. With RL all their oils are POE/PAO formulations.
As with most things it comes down to cost.
If cost was no concern most of us would use ester based lubes.
Can you formulate a more than satisfactory engine oil for use in less demanding applications using cheaper base oils? Of course.
Do I use ester based oils? Absolutely.
I have RL gear oil in most of my cars and FUCHS in my Caterham.
In my experience, ester based oils do stick to the insides of engines. This prevents a dry start-up. PAO and Grp III oils do not do this, in my experience.
"Experience" in this case means adjusting valve clearances on motorcycles.
Funnily enough, cheap oils such as Grp I & II also stick to engines. They are polar also. But you really would not want to use them.
"Experience" in this case means adjusting valve clearances on motorcycles.
Funnily enough, cheap oils such as Grp I & II also stick to engines. They are polar also. But you really would not want to use them.
are there other ester based oils besided Red LIne and Motul?
Red line throws codes in my BMW and Motul doesn't offer a 5W30?
Red line throws codes in my BMW and Motul doesn't offer a 5W30?
^^^Torco SR5, Fuchs/Silkolene Titan, some say even Mobil 1 0W-40 (and their racing formulas), L.A.T., and others I cannot think of right now.
Originally Posted By: wjhughes420384
are there other ester based oils besided Red LIne and Motul?
Red line throws codes in my BMW and Motul doesn't offer a 5W30?
Well since you're not concerned with spec' oils, Motul 300V 5W-30 is an option.
What Red Line oil did you use that "throws codes"?
If you haven't tried it I'd recommend their 0W-30.
are there other ester based oils besided Red LIne and Motul?
Red line throws codes in my BMW and Motul doesn't offer a 5W30?
Well since you're not concerned with spec' oils, Motul 300V 5W-30 is an option.
What Red Line oil did you use that "throws codes"?
If you haven't tried it I'd recommend their 0W-30.
Yes, my searches for oils to lessen piston slap clearly steer me toward ester oils. PAO is even worse than mineral oils in that regard.
it was a 5w30 red line that threw a code of moisture in the oil,
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Originally Posted By: wjhughes420384
are there other ester based oils besided Red LIne and Motul?
Red line throws codes in my BMW and Motul doesn't offer a 5W30?
Well since you're not concerned with spec' oils, Motul 300V 5W-30 is an option.
What Red Line oil did you use that "throws codes"?
If you haven't tried it I'd recommend their 0W-30.
i dont think i want to go with a racing oil. i do want to make sure it meets the bmw specs
Originally Posted By: wjhughes420384
are there other ester based oils besided Red LIne and Motul?
Red line throws codes in my BMW and Motul doesn't offer a 5W30?
Well since you're not concerned with spec' oils, Motul 300V 5W-30 is an option.
What Red Line oil did you use that "throws codes"?
If you haven't tried it I'd recommend their 0W-30.
i dont think i want to go with a racing oil. i do want to make sure it meets the bmw specs
Originally Posted By: wjhughes420384
it was a 5w30 red line that threw a code of moisture in the oil,
If it has a dielectric sensor, it will read out of scale. That has been my experience with Q torque power oil while using my oilyser. I could never find confirmation it contained esters though.
it was a 5w30 red line that threw a code of moisture in the oil,
If it has a dielectric sensor, it will read out of scale. That has been my experience with Q torque power oil while using my oilyser. I could never find confirmation it contained esters though.
Originally Posted By: Y_K
For certain applications Castor oil is more effective.
Who makes a castor based PCMO?
For certain applications Castor oil is more effective.
Who makes a castor based PCMO?
JHZR2
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Originally Posted By: mechtech2
Sounds great.
But how does this apply inside an auto engine?
I know motors that after years of storage with cruddy used oil still have oil in the bearings and on pistons/rings.
What about on vertical surfaces?
Sounds great.
But how does this apply inside an auto engine?
I know motors that after years of storage with cruddy used oil still have oil in the bearings and on pistons/rings.
What about on vertical surfaces?
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Originally Posted By: Y_K
For certain applications Castor oil is more effective.
Who makes a castor based PCMO?
TWS 10w60????
Originally Posted By: Y_K
For certain applications Castor oil is more effective.
Who makes a castor based PCMO?
TWS 10w60????
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