Anyone here dislike Bush?

[wulimaster]

I wonder why the free press and the Democratic party are hiding LaRouche?

If we are so free then why does the free press also hide the Libertarian party results during the voting. Instead they tally up the demo and repub votes and then inflate them to 100% total? Like there are no other parties or candidates getting any votes.

I guess we just don't have the technology for that kind of record keeping yet.

 

[buster]

So much negativity. Where is the hope? We are all making it sound like this country is going to hell in a handbasket.....maybe it is???

 

[labman]

Has been all my life. I voted for George Bush hoping at best to slow it down, and will again.

But at least we have a lot of fun electronics now

 

[Tim_Z]

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Originally posted by Tim_Z:

Originally posted by Al:
BTW, here is a link to the WTC 7 "collaps" that the gov't reported fell on it's own but the owner admitted he had demolished...
Tim

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Actually he told the firefighters not to bother fighting it because he was going to have it pulled. This kept anyone away from it when it collapsed all by itself. WTC7 caught fire 5 hours after the collapse of the last tower. It collapsed 1 hour later. It takes days to rig a building of that size to collapse assuming you have the demolition team already there with unfettered access and no fire to contend with. The charges had to have already been set before WTC1 and WTC2 were struck.

If it were common for large buildings to collapse after a 1 hour fire then we wouldn't have built any because no one would want to work in them and no firefighter would enter them once on fire.

Now you have to ask yourself. Why wasn't any of this brought up in our FREE PRESS much less investigated.

It is not what the press says and does but what they conspicously ignore and don't do that is of real importance.

My 2 cents worth. Actually 3 cents for those living in Europe, Canada, and Australia since that is what it is worth this year over last.

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Sorry, but you are incorrect. I have heard the interview with Larry Silverstein and he says he got a call from the fire dept and he decided to PULL the building, it did not come down on it's own - as you state as to why. I wholeheartedly agree that it takes days if not weeks and that is in a building that is not on fire. The WTC 7 video coming down looks just like 1 & 2. There are a lot of unanswered questions. Like - he stated that the biulding was clear and there were no bodies to remove but at the time of the action it was reported that a Secret Service agent on loan from somewhere else died in WTC7. If that is true and they DID PULL the building, then Larry Silverstein is responsible for murder. There is also the insurance issue. He reportedly made a $500 million proffit on WTC 7 alone...

Tim

 

[TC]

If the word "pull" was used on 9-11, it would have been used in one of two ways: Either the decision to not fight the WTC7 fire was made, and to "pull" all emergency workers out (after all, over 300 firefighters had already died on the site that day), or the building was already heavily structurally damaged, and they made a quick decision that it would very likely be scrapped ("pulled") at some later date, and therefore don't bother to risk lives fighting the fire. The latter idea is a bit absurd, since it would take engineers week(s) to determine if a 44 story building is salvagable, and folks like insurers don't take 100% demoliton lightly when repairs are feasible. Therefore I have to assume "pull" simply meant to "pull" the firefighters due to the risk, and in fact, Assistant Chief Frank Fellini did just that at 11:30am.

WTC7 fell 7 hours after the twin towers fell. To torch-cut the ground floor's box and I-beams, secure explosive charges in place on select columns, and set them off without any sound of detonation being noticed, all within 7 hrs -- as if such a laughably absurd event could even take place -- is impossible. The building was not the typical high-rise construction in that it also featured a lightweight construction like the twin towers, with few heavy columns along the perimeter, as is the norm. It apparently fell due to a combination of lighter-weight construction, falling debris from the twin towers, heat from building contents ablaze, and heat from two large internal diesel tanks for the emergency generators:
http://www.wirednewyork.com/wtc/7wtc/default.htm

 

[wulimaster]

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Originally posted by TC:
Therefore I have to assume "pull" simply meant to "pull" the firefighters due to the risk, and in fact, Assistant Chief Frank Fellini did just that at 11:30am.

WTC7 fell 7 hours after the twin towers fell. To torch-cut the ground floor's box and I-beams, secure explosive charges in place on select columns, and set them off without any sound of detonation being noticed, all within 7 hrs -- as if such a laughably absurd event could even take place -- is impossible. The building was not the typical high-rise construction in that it also featured a lightweight construction like the twin towers, with few heavy columns along the perimeter, as is the norm. It apparently fell due to a combination of lighter-weight construction, falling debris from the twin towers, heat from building contents ablaze, and heat from two large internal diesel tanks for the emergency generators:
http://www.wirednewyork.com/wtc/7wtc/default.htm

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I agree with the pull being interpretted both ways. I do not agree that he said he had it pulled as there was no time to do all the above.

There was no debris that struck WTC7 because it was shielded by another building which was struck with the debris. Also, How would a fire start in the first place?


Funny how the fire wasn't noticed in WTC7 until one hour before it fell. Can anyone name a modern highrise that collapsed due to fire anywhere in the world?

If you look at the CBS video footage you can see the center of the building collapses into itself before the sides give way. It appears that the windows near the corners explode out while the rest of the structure's windows remain intact for the ride down.

http://www.wtc7.net/docs/wtc7_collapse2.mpg

If all buildings are built this way, building demolition companies will go out of business. All you need is some jet fuel or diesel fuel and about an hour.

 

[Tim_Z]

I appologize wulimaster. In one of my earlier responses I thought you were arguing with me about the absurdity of demolishing the building in that you thought I thought that it was possible (please note the time I am typing this since it makes no sense). I know that it takes DAYS if not WEEKS to rig the building in order to PULL (which IS THE INDUSTRY TERM for demolishing the building...TC) the building. And that does NOT take into account the fact that the building was on fire.

TC....you really need to research your facts. Do not ever ASSUME anything, especially something as important as this. Spend about an hour (or more if you have the time) at THIS site which is www.prisonplanet.com and watch the 30 minute video by Alex Jones concerning the PULLing of WTC 7. If you watch the video of WTC 7 collapse, compare it identically to the collapse of 1 & 2. They were also rigged with explosives. And as wulimaster stated...no modern structure has EVER fallen due to jet fuel/kerosene fires. Even if somehow it would make the structure unstable, the probability that the entire buildings would BOTH collapse due to fires AND then BOTH fall STRAIGHT down is staggeringly small.
Also scroll down and listen to and read the firefighters recorded communication. (remember the firefighters radios "didn't work" right? How about they were confiscated on grounds of national security. How about the fact that when it was happening and for a long while the gov't. stated that WTC 7 fell on it's own. I know Silverstein is vague on the fact regarding pulling the building because he does not want to say he DID it. His goal is to misinform people and cause people to form conclusions based on what they think they heard. But if you watch the tape (or go to PBS website and buy the video "America Rebuilds" from them and watch it over and over you will get the idea that he had it destroyed.

Again, it's late...er...early. I just people would stop blindly believing what the bought and paid for media spews forth and start looking behind the curtain. Oh, thats right, Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

Look, just go and watch the video and then tell me it was all not planned.

tim

 

[Dan4510]

Dear DNC:

Subject: A letter to the Democratic National Committee


Thank you for giving the opportunity to speak my mind.

I lost my job this past year. When Clinton was president, I worked in a prosperous enterprise. But in the last year, we had to close our operations. We simply could not compete with foreign labor. This foreign labor worked for low pay under very bad conditions. They worked very long shifts, and many even died on the job. This competition could hardly be called "fair." I was forced out of the place where I had worked for 34 years. Not a single government program was there to help me. How can Bush call himself "compassionate?"

Far worse, I lost two of my sons in Bush's evil war in Iraq. They gave their lives for their country, and for what? So that Bush's oil buddies can get rich. My pain of losing my sons is indescribable. While it is trivial next to the loss of my sons, I regret to say that I also lost my home. I simply had nothing left. How can Bush call himself a Christian when he neglects people like me? I am a senior citizen with various medical problems. I'm not in a position where I can begin a new career. I was reduced to the point where I was basically homeless, all because of President Bush. Mr. Bush, I dare you to look me in the face and tell me you are a compassionate man! I dare you to look me in the face and tell me you are a Christian!

If I had any money left, I would donate it to the Democratic party. If Al Gore had been elected in 2000, I guarantee I would still have a job, a home, and most importantly, my dear sons!

Regards


Saddam Hussein

 

[GROUCHO MARX]

Finally, Saddam chimes in on this board.

 

[labman]

Dan, as easy to believe as some of the rest of the postings on this thread.

 

[Dan4510]

Labman,

Just thought I would bring a little levity to the subject!

Dan