Anyone here dislike Bush?

[Drew99GT]

It seems that 99% of the people here veer to the right at all costs! I voted for Bush in 2000, but I simply can't do it this time around based on his record of "mis" achievement. His tax policy has raised local taxes more than what I got from the federal gov. in a tax break; his pandering to the mexican american vote with his immigration policy; prescription drug benefit by joining an HMO?; his foreign policy is reckless to say the least; he focused on Sadaam instead of Alqueda and Bin Laden. He spins more than a basketball in a Harlem Globetrotters game. Iraq being the central front in the war on terror. Paleeeeeeez. Maylasia and the Phillipeens are the central fronts on the war on Terror, not to mention we only have 10,000 troops in Afganistan now. Now he realizes that Iraq can not be democratized soley by the US, so he's trying to gain the support of the UN. Oh, and his taking of Cheney's advice that Defecits don't matter. I though he was a finance major? Apparently he missed the chapter on inflating out of debt, when debt markets add an inflation premium to long term interest rates when the government can no longer pay it's bills with real money gathered from taxes and debt.

I feel like an outsider on this board for my dislike of GWs policies. Flame away

 

[MarkC]

I also don't like Bush. Not at all.
All the reasons you named, as well as his non-existent environmental policies turn me off.
I hate the cowboy posturing too.

 

[novadude]

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I voted for Bush in 2000, but I simply can't do it this time around based on his record of "mis" achievement.

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I agree 100%. He will not get my vote again.

 

[Mike242GT]

I don't care for either one (Dubya or Jeb!) That said, however, what/who are the alternatives? The Dems have yet to present a solid candidate. May have to vote Libertarian.

 

[Al]

Well what are the alternatives?? There is only one Democrat with any credibility at all and that is Lieberman. The rest sound like a bunch of Carnival barkers.

I have two problems with Bush-first the Budget-but Democrats love that part and would raise taxes an increase entitlements even more.

The other problem is the Illegals situation. But here he is only trying to come up even with the Democrats who have been pandering to the Hispanics for years.

So am I dissatisfied with Bush??-yes. Is their any remote possibility that any of the Dems (except Lieberman) could do even as good?? Not a chance.

 

[Pablo]

I have to learn more about Edwards, but so far I'll be voting Bush, warts and all:

Dean? His behavior makes Bush look like the Pope on downers.

Kerry? Rich and has Kennedy backing him. No further comment.

Edwards? Unknown.

Kucinich? Poor and gets the Bellingham, Wa vote (basically a communist)

Some ex-general and the rest of the pack? Wow my panties are sweaty.

I don't dislike Bush. The press does, but I can ignore that.

I don't dislike Bush as a human, but the "anti-hate" crowd does. Ask them "why?"....some mumbling and screaming and the something that sounds like "Ashcroft"....and "hate"...chortles out

I do dislike his spending like a maniac, MOST of it we had zero choice and al Quaeda knew that. I dislike his surface alienation of certain Muslim asian nations (way overblown, though) Don't know what to make of the Mexican immigration thing, but I hope he made it clear to Fox that Mexico may NOT have 6 or 7 states back just because they can't even employ their own people...

That said I agree with Al.

PS Bush has the highest approval rating at this point in an election year since Eisenhower, and this despite all the hammering of the opponents and O'Neill.

[ January 20, 2004, 03:46 PM: Message edited by: Pablo ]

 

[Drew99GT]

I whole hartedly agree that Lieberman would make an outstanding president. If you take the lables off all the candidates (democrat, republican, liberal, conservative), he has the best record and the best economic ideas. I just don't agree with him on the war, but I would get past that in a heart beat. I just do not get why the dems are not taking to him. Maybe the hard core dems that are moving the primary vote can't see past his support of Isreal or something. I wanted to puke when those hecklers were at that debate and protested when Leiberman was speaking.

 

[MillerMan]

I am sick of Bush, he doesn't really care about the average man. But I am sick of both parties, in the end there doesn't seem to be much difference.

 

[Drew99GT]

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Originally posted by MillerMan:
I am sick of Bush, he doesn't really care about the average man. But I am sick of both parties, in the end there doesn't seem to be much difference.

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Voter turn out reflects that. We need a new political party that's not reflective of special interests, but of the average person in the middle class. I guess that party will emerge in a new political/economic system that hasn't come about yet. Will it ever

 

[carrera79]

No offense, but I'm tired of hearing the "average man" comment applied to anybody. The dems give no more to the average working guy, they take his money to give to someone who doesn't do a thing. That aside, I'm really appalled at Bush. His spending is outrageous and even though my two favorite publications (The Economist and Wall Street Journal) support it I have to disagree with this work for illegals program.

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We need a new political party that's not reflective of special interests, but of the average person in the middle class. I guess that party will emerge in a new political/economic system that hasn't come about yet.

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I don't think that there's any chance of this happening soon. Everyone that works for a living has too little time to waste on this bull. As a conservative I am completely sick at the thought of Bush as president. The only issue is getting more ill at the thought of one of the horrible candidates opposing him.

 

[Tim_Z]

It doesn't seem to make a difference which candidate one votes for, ala the 2000 fiasco. There is a big push to go to a paperless ballot system with no receipt to confirm who anyone actually voted for and all three voting machine manufacturers admitting that their machines are vulnerable to being "hacked" from the outside. Diablod was caught and admitted that someone from it's company accessed the machines in the 2000 election and changed votes. It's machines, I cannot comment on other manufacturers machines, have a built in wireless modem. So, what we end up with is the US getting a KING it did not necessarily vote for (much the same or worse than 2000).

And I wholeheartedly agree with DREW99GT's original post but want to add that there is so many more reasons to hate GWB than those, some much more sinister reasons.

And yes, I did vote for him in 2000. I was a staunch Republican. I now believe that we as a country should not have an all one party President (KING), Senate and Representatives. If Clinton was in office instead of GWB, the Republican congress would eye every one of his actions closely and would not just put blanket approval on his actions and directives like they do now. As bad as I thought Clinton was, GWB is out Clintoning Clinton.

I have been given compelling evidence over and over again why I would vote for ANYONE but him. Well, that is not true. The military industrial complex and the world banks put him in power. He is a pawn of theirs. The next KING we get will also be one of their pawns, whether we vote for him/her or not.

Tim

 

[keith]

I don't care for the overspending, but the democrats would spend more. Every democrat candidates agenda would increase the deficit:


Democrat Presidential Candidate Platforms Would Raise Federal Deficits


I don't enjoy war, but dislike appeasement more and WW IV still has to be won. Head in the sand or perceived weakness is not an alternative. I don't care for the Hispandering, but the democrats would be right there or worse. I don't care for the blanket prescription drug boondoggle, but the democrats want more. I don't care for the "campaign finance reform" attacks on the Constitution, but the democrats are in lock step or worse. I want more domestic oil exploration and extraction, not less. I want US Supreme Court justices that follow the Constitution and don't recite foreign court decisions. I want a Commander in Chief that does what is right for the US first, not the motly collection of dictators and despots at the UN.

On all the issues I care about, Bush is better than any of the democrats. Lieberman is the best of the bunch, but his many flip flops while running for VP have damaged his credibility. His support for Israel is a deal breaker for the left wingers that dominate the primaries.

The question should be - which Republican would you like to run against Bush?

Keith.

 

[Jimbo]

I dont particularly "like" or "dislike" Bush or any of the Democratic candidates. It just amazes me how much at least the press plays up this idea. When Clinton was in office we heard the same thing about Republicans having this extreme dislike for him. Our collective memory is so short. The one thing that would make Bush ticket more appealing to be would be to dump Cheney this time.

I tend to veer more Libertarian so I am even more "right wing" to some than even a Republican. Federally funded education programs that dont work, prescription drug "benefits" (read: subsidy to the drug industry), etc. These are the things that the Dems want more and more of and I want to stop altogether. The immigration proposal is puzzling. He is not going to get Hispanic votes in California or Florida with that. Most of those eligible to vote are against it and he cant win this state anyway.

 

[MRC01]

I don't particularly like Bush, but I don't particularly hate him either and more importantly, I don't see anyone who would do a better job.

I like Bush's aggressive policy in foreign relations and the war on terror. What I don't like is his war on civil rights, his protectionism, and his spending.

But the alternatives are even worse: people who would pander and appease our enemies rather than aggressively defend our interests. People who would expand entitlements which are already so bloated they are destroying our economy and our country. People who would waste even more of what little is left after entitlements are paid. People who would increase taxes which are already a heavy burden on all Americans.

So given the options, Bush seems the least bad of several distasteful choices.

 

[Bob Woods]

As for political operatives caring for the common man, the only time they do that is when they want your vote or your money. I don't dislike Bush, nor did I dislike Clinton, but given the current choices, unless the Dems come up with someone better than Kerry, I think Bush will be hard to beat. We are at war, congress hasn't declared war but the Islamic fundamentalists have and they mean business. This isn't something new its been ongoing for decades, but 9-11 brought it to American soil. America isn't the only target, but we are the biggest, if we fail then the rest of the world will fall too. For those of you that think we are safe and don't need to fight this fight, I suggest you buy a copy of the Koran and start learning your new way of life. I myself would much rather have the war conducted on foreign soil, than here in the CONUS.

 

[msparks]

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Originally posted by Drew99GT:

Originally posted by MillerMan:
[qb] I guess that party will emerge in a new political/economic system that hasn't come about yet. Will it ever

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[radiometer]

I don't agree with President Bush on a number of things but I am greatful the alternative wasn't elected at a time war was about to be launched against us on our own soil. The weakness on defense and the pandering to our enemies carrying out war against us as was started on 9-11 is only an invitation to further disaster. I am very greatful for the strong leadership and the fortitude to do the right thing in the face of foreign opposition that we now have in the White House. The other side always dismantles much of our defensive structure. I don't want higher taxes to support more Socialism. In fact, I just couldn't bring myself to vote for any of the Socialists now in the race. I am anxious to hear the State of the Union address tonight. Much of the good news the media has failed to report will be brought out. I am well aware that many of our basic rights are under assault but the other side just wants to take more and more of them from us. I really believe the President expected the U.S. Supreme Court to overturn the unconstitutional provisions of the Incumbent Protection Bill, otherwise referred to as Campaign Finance Reform. We've got much more coming at us in the future.

 

[MillerMan]

Bush was pres for about 9 months before 9-11, what did he do to prevent it? nothing. did he even starting making plans to get ready for such a thing? na, he was warned, Slicky willy himself told him to get ready for binny, nothing

 

[buster]

They all have and will always play politics. You can't please everyone. Bush has made some mistakes, as did every president. I was listening to Robert Rubin on Meet the Press and he made a point that what happens is, the current president or administration doesn't always think far enough ahead. They are too concerned with their own power or short term agendas to get re-elected. If this economy doesn't boom like a MF'er, things could get bad down the road. I tend to get annoyed with Bush's Cowboyisms. He is by far, one of the worst commnicators I"ve seen (unless he is reading a speech) and has a very arrogant attitude. I remember when he first took office he was so hung up on his "Texas values". I can't stand these dopes that think they have all the right answers with values. No offense to anyone but it's mainly the christian right. I was raised Catholic, like most of the North Eastern Popluation, but once I reached the age of reason, I bailed out.

Bush might be a good guy, it's hard to tell sometimes but who knows. His connections with Ken Lay and other corp. big whigs makes me wonder. Don't be fooled by his southern baptist, texas values, cowboy ways.

 

[Al]

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Originally posted by MillerMan:
Bush was pres for about 9 months before 9-11, what did he do to prevent it? nothing. did he even starting making plans to get ready for such a thing? na, he was warned, Slicky willy himself told him to get ready for binny, nothing

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Slick Willy was too busy,refusing to take BinLaden when he was offered him, too busy cutting back on the military, to busy cutting back and trashing our foreign spy network, and mostly too busy with Monica, cigars and staining dresses-. He didn't have much time to warn Bush about anything.