Anyone Convert from Synpower to Ultra (vice versa)
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I changed from Synpower to Ultra and will be changing back to Synpower.
My car is significantly quieter with Synpower and it has burned 1.5 qt during a 6K oci with Ultra, which has never happened before. It usually does not need any make up oil between oil changes.
Cold starts are also more sluggish with Ultra - I thought I had a bad battery ands replaced it, but that made little difference. Not sure how this can be explained since both are the same viscosity?
My car is significantly quieter with Synpower and it has burned 1.5 qt during a 6K oci with Ultra, which has never happened before. It usually does not need any make up oil between oil changes.
Cold starts are also more sluggish with Ultra - I thought I had a bad battery ands replaced it, but that made little difference. Not sure how this can be explained since both are the same viscosity?
i know me posting here is pointless and off topic, but im glad to see this post, im sick of hearing all about pennzoil, i think valvoline is a sleeper, and the price you can find synpwr is enticeing, and lets face it, alot of the pennzoil craZe is price related, the above post may put synpwn in my hands.......ive always loved VWB
I've never tried SynPower because I think that there are better oils for the same or even less money. Though I think that SynPower is a good oil overall except lower TBN compared to other synthetics.
I switched from M1 (all kind of grades) to Pennzoil Ultra and will never go back to M1 unless I absolutely have to. Planning to use Pennzoil Platinum if Ultra would be hard to find next time around. Also wanting to try Castrol Edge in one of the cars next time and if I'm feeling stingy would go with QS synthetic.
I switched from M1 (all kind of grades) to Pennzoil Ultra and will never go back to M1 unless I absolutely have to. Planning to use Pennzoil Platinum if Ultra would be hard to find next time around. Also wanting to try Castrol Edge in one of the cars next time and if I'm feeling stingy would go with QS synthetic.
I agree. I still don't trust pennzoil from all the problems they use to have. Call me old fashioned. Valvoline is a oil that is rich in tradition and has a following from respectable men throughout the history of this nation. I've never seen Valvoline disgrace and dishonor themselves by keeping products such as Slick 50 on shelves. Most people on this site.. I do not want to say are cheap, but however have an obsession with oil and finding it cheap. See..oils have 2 things that men are designed with, and it is not a weird happiness in finding joy in oil changes. Oil does the job. It's constantly working, and protecting and it lets you know you did something important. and men like to find good deals - thus why you have people on this site with 3,000 posts (come on people..its OIL..this isn't the MOST exciting place on the internet) but people still enjoy this site..because it takes a certain kind of man to enjoy this website. I really believe the whole pennzoil popularity is due to cost. It always have been through out the history of this place. First it was Delo..then it was Havoline..then i believe some other oil had a short run... and now pennzoil has been enjoying a long worship session - their timing in coming out with the "Ultra" (how original) has only helped there case on this site. I don't care about what a UOA says. I wonder what a UOA would of said on this site back when they were having all those problems.
I'm switching from Royal Purple to Synpower on my next oil change also
I'm switching from Royal Purple to Synpower on my next oil change also
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Originally Posted By: unixguru
I've never tried SynPower because I think that there are better oils for the same or even less money.
Oh, do tell. And please be specific when you tell us how they are "better" than Synpower.
I've never tried SynPower because I think that there are better oils for the same or even less money.
Oh, do tell. And please be specific when you tell us how they are "better" than Synpower.
I had Synpower 5w30 in my '00 Toyo. Landcruiser and changed to Pennzoil Ultra 5w30, and plan to make the change in my wife's RX300 as well. Only issue I had w/ Synpower was that my LC burned a bit of oil and it has never done that w/ any other oil, syn or dino, b/f (it may be the long warm-ups I do on cold mornings).
I'll still looking for something that I like. I've only had Ultra in for about 400 miles - cold starts a bit longer than Synpower, but we'll see after 4K miles.
I'll still looking for something that I like. I've only had Ultra in for about 400 miles - cold starts a bit longer than Synpower, but we'll see after 4K miles.
Originally Posted By: hate2work
Oh, do tell. And please be specific when you tell us how they are "better" than Synpower.
Just going by the walmart price of $25 for 5 quarts of synpower i *personally* think that PP, PU, M1, and even QS synthetics provide better value for money. I don't think that difference of $2-4/5 quarts is a big deal, but from what I've seen in Synpower's UOAs TBN retention I'm not really impressed. Although I must admit that wear numbers look pretty good with Synpower.
I think that it's simply a matter of personal preference at this point which one would you choose and which one your car likes better. If Synpower was priced as QS Synthetic in a current formulation or had TBN of Pennzoil/M1 with the current price I might try it.
Oh, do tell. And please be specific when you tell us how they are "better" than Synpower.
Just going by the walmart price of $25 for 5 quarts of synpower i *personally* think that PP, PU, M1, and even QS synthetics provide better value for money. I don't think that difference of $2-4/5 quarts is a big deal, but from what I've seen in Synpower's UOAs TBN retention I'm not really impressed. Although I must admit that wear numbers look pretty good with Synpower.
I think that it's simply a matter of personal preference at this point which one would you choose and which one your car likes better. If Synpower was priced as QS Synthetic in a current formulation or had TBN of Pennzoil/M1 with the current price I might try it.
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Originally Posted By: unixguru
Originally Posted By: hate2work
Oh, do tell. And please be specific when you tell us how they are "better" than Synpower.
Just going by the walmart price of $25 for 5 quarts of synpower i *personally* think that PP, PU, M1, and even QS synthetics provide better value for money. I don't think that difference of $2-4/5 quarts is a big deal, but from what I've seen in Synpower's UOAs TBN retention I'm not really impressed. Although I must admit that wear numbers look pretty good with Synpower.
I think that it's simply a matter of personal preference at this point which one would you choose and which one your car likes better. If Synpower was priced as QS Synthetic in a current formulation or had TBN of Pennzoil/M1 with the current price I might try it.
So...you buy an oil based on TBN retention to Price?
I wonder what sort of TBN retention Water has
I was not aware that syn power had issues with TBN retention either
Originally Posted By: hate2work
Oh, do tell. And please be specific when you tell us how they are "better" than Synpower.
Just going by the walmart price of $25 for 5 quarts of synpower i *personally* think that PP, PU, M1, and even QS synthetics provide better value for money. I don't think that difference of $2-4/5 quarts is a big deal, but from what I've seen in Synpower's UOAs TBN retention I'm not really impressed. Although I must admit that wear numbers look pretty good with Synpower.
I think that it's simply a matter of personal preference at this point which one would you choose and which one your car likes better. If Synpower was priced as QS Synthetic in a current formulation or had TBN of Pennzoil/M1 with the current price I might try it.
So...you buy an oil based on TBN retention to Price?
I wonder what sort of TBN retention Water has
I was not aware that syn power had issues with TBN retention either
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Yes, and Ultra was a bit more smoother. The problem with Ashland in my mind is that they have been around and yet always seem to produce an oil that just gets by. Like the student that shoots for a C. They have an add pack that says cheap. The uoas that are quoted are few and far between. What I find is the add pack says we got you. Loaded with sodium which is dirt cheap. Has anyone ever seen a oil that really was bad??? I think in this business you can get by with the minimum and make a large profit. I am waiting for a thread that says the new Peak syn. is the best I ever used. It is coming, because so much is based on the opinion of the guy in the diner. 
Everthing is opinion makes for neat conversation though. Who is going to win the Super Bowl?
Originally Posted By: Fallguy
If so why or what did you like better about what you changed to?
Regards,
Everthing is opinion makes for neat conversation though. Who is going to win the Super Bowl?
Originally Posted By: Fallguy
If so why or what did you like better about what you changed to?
Regards,
Originally Posted By: unixguru
Originally Posted By: hate2work
Oh, do tell. And please be specific when you tell us how they are "better" than Synpower.
Just going by the walmart price of $25 for 5 quarts of synpower i *personally* think that PP, PU, M1, and even QS synthetics provide better value for money. I don't think that difference of $2-4/5 quarts is a big deal, but from what I've seen in Synpower's UOAs TBN retention I'm not really impressed. Although I must admit that wear numbers look pretty good with Synpower.
I think that it's simply a matter of personal preference at this point which one would you choose and which one your car likes better. If Synpower was priced as QS Synthetic in a current formulation or had TBN of Pennzoil/M1 with the current price I might try it.
Well, I was just having some fun with you
It's pretty easy to throw around the "better" and "best" words and trap yourself into something you didn't really mean to say.
For my needs of caring for four cars that all take 5w30 and get changed at 5k, I've found the best value in watching for any of the major brands of group III syns to go on sale and buy enough for a couple changes on all rigs. I am a total price [censored] when it comes to this, and completely brand disloyal. I just put the last of the $1 per quart PP in the daughter's Civic, and am running some $3 per quart Synpower in my truck.
Originally Posted By: hate2work
Oh, do tell. And please be specific when you tell us how they are "better" than Synpower.
Just going by the walmart price of $25 for 5 quarts of synpower i *personally* think that PP, PU, M1, and even QS synthetics provide better value for money. I don't think that difference of $2-4/5 quarts is a big deal, but from what I've seen in Synpower's UOAs TBN retention I'm not really impressed. Although I must admit that wear numbers look pretty good with Synpower.
I think that it's simply a matter of personal preference at this point which one would you choose and which one your car likes better. If Synpower was priced as QS Synthetic in a current formulation or had TBN of Pennzoil/M1 with the current price I might try it.
Well, I was just having some fun with you
For my needs of caring for four cars that all take 5w30 and get changed at 5k, I've found the best value in watching for any of the major brands of group III syns to go on sale and buy enough for a couple changes on all rigs. I am a total price [censored] when it comes to this, and completely brand disloyal. I just put the last of the $1 per quart PP in the daughter's Civic, and am running some $3 per quart Synpower in my truck.
Originally Posted By: KieferS
I've never seen Valvoline disgrace and dishonor themselves by keeping products such as Slick 50 on shelves.
Hate to break it to you......but:
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1997/10/valve.shtm
I've never seen Valvoline disgrace and dishonor themselves by keeping products such as Slick 50 on shelves.
Hate to break it to you......but:
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1997/10/valve.shtm
Valvoline quit selling TM8, Slick50 still lives!
Yep---as a lifelong Valvoline user, I have found myself transitioning over to PP and PU in 3 of my vehicles. I was biased against Pennz products from way back, but spending a lot of time here, reading posts and UOAs and VOAs, I think PP and PU are 'better' overall. No one thing in particular, just a sense that Pennz products may have surpassed Valvoline since Shell has owned it. PP is in my '10 Mazda, PU in my 98 V6 Ford, and will be soon in my 05 Sienna van. I'm still going to run Rotella T5 in my Yukon for a number of reasons. I guess I'm transitioning over to Shell for everything. I run Rotella of different flavors in my bikes. I hope my high school shop teacher does not read this. The man HATED pennz (late 1970's).
I think it's funny, periodically people will bad mouth SynPower on the forum, stating something about a "weak" additive package. However, the same UOAs that show a "weak" additive package usually show very lower wear numbers which are often overlooked.
I currently am using M1 0w30 in my vehicle (I know that's not what this thread is about), but am looking to try SynPower when my stash of M1 runs out next November.
I currently am using M1 0w30 in my vehicle (I know that's not what this thread is about), but am looking to try SynPower when my stash of M1 runs out next November.
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