Any nonrepeat Hybrid Buyers?

[Zee09]

Can you add why so? Regarding the Flipping cars so much: would put a huge dent in your wealth...

I don't understand the whole flipping cars deal either...

 

[Ws6]

We have a Mazda 5 mini van and a CX 5. Totally reliable so who needs an EV.

I know right? Mazda is the only thing anyone needs. Specifically, a small 4 cylinder suv and a minivan. They've cracked the code. Ford, Toyota, BMW, they can all just shut down now.

 

[Ws6]

Can you add why so? Regarding the Flipping cars so much: would put a huge dent in your wealth...

I paid $44k for the rav4 prime and got 7500 in tax credits. I traded it and got 47k for it. That is 10.5k net. I bought a rdx for 55k. I traded it for 46k on the c40, and got 7500 tax credit. That has my net at 10k. I then traded the c40, which I got for 63k for 43k. That was hugely painful, and brings my net to about a 10k loss after putting almost 40k miles on those combined vehicles. Not bad.

The rav4 had poor engineering, and terrible "all" wheel drive. It quickly soured me to Toyota in general.

 

[fdcg27]

The rav4 had poor engineering, and terrible "all" wheel drive. It quickly soured me to Toyota in general.

If you want good AWD you buy a Subaru, not a Toyota.

 

[The Critic]

If you want good AWD you buy a Subaru, not a Toyota.

It has nothing to do with Subaru. Many CUV’s use a “slip and grip” type system, Subaru does not.

 

[oilstudent24]

I am in the market for a 2024+ Lexus RX350 or RX350h for my in-laws. As a longtime owner and supporter of Toyota hybrids, I am considering a non-hybrid this time for a few reasons:

- Annual Mileage: my in-laws drive 7K/yr and I only foresee that number decreasing over time. Over a 15 yr ownership period of 105K miles, assuming a 10 mpg differential at $5/gal, there is a $7500 operating cost advantage to the hybrid.

- Battery Cost: The chance of needing a new hybrid battery after 15 years is decently high, especially in a warm climate like mine. I have seen very poor results from remanufactured hybrid batteries, so those will never be an option to me. The cost of hybrid batteries on some newer Toyota's is significantly higher than before - it is a $6K+ expenditure. Even with the estimated $7500 fuel savings, the savings becomes <$1500.

- Vehicle Cost: I am finding non-hybrid models to be discounted and are also being built in configurations I prefer. The hybrid models tend to have significantly more optional equipment and the discounts are lower, especially in my preferred color combo. As a result, it will cost me at least $5K more to obtain a hybrid than a non-hybrid.

I’m not recommending one over the other as I don’t own a hybrid, but if they don’t drive it much, will the batteries charge properly or have a good lifespan?

 

[Mainia]

This would be a long rabbit hole to go down and explain. So I will say this:

A lot, but not all of it, of Hyundai's bad reliability problems has to do with how owners treated their vehicles, with Hyundai's long-standing ineptitude of effectively communicating problems to customers and dealerships, and with bad Hyundai dealers recommending the wrong and unnecessary services to customers, meanwhile failing to educate them on how to properly maintain their vehicles. However, the vehicles themselves are decently engineered and built.


My comments were all about the Toyota Tundra engine debacle. Actually, I've been considering a Toyota Tacoma lately, and just when I was getting ready to pull the trigger, the Toyota dealerships started raising prices again at the beginning of June. And it was a manual 4x4, a pretty sweet truck. However, I wouldn't touch a Tundra with a ten foot pole. Hyundai doesn't sell any pickup trucks. That Santa Cruz thing is not really a truck, no matter what Hyundai says.

Don't overlook the what........... roughly 8 to 10 billion in rebuilt motors in the 14 years of motor issues that did not have to be. My hypothesis is "legal embezzlement of funds" by corporate heads who own engine rebuilding company's. Their engine issues are an easy fix that was never done, for a reason. ^

 

[Zee09]

I was a bit bummed with my then new 2010 Honda Insight. MPGs were so, so, and the materials inside were wearing poorly at just 13k miles and I'm super easy on vehicles.
It wasn't a great vehicle in many respects.....

 

[Ws6]

I’m not recommending one over the other as I don’t own a hybrid, but if they don’t drive it much, will the batteries charge properly or have a good lifespan?

Toyota hybrids are stoopidly self preserving. It would be fine.

 

[Zee09]

Sometimes I grow tired of the techniques required to get stellar slash phenomenal mpgs in hybrids as you didn't buy one to get mediocre mpgs...

I don't need the coaching or video game nonsense either... sometimes you just want to drive without thinking about it.....

 

[oilstudent24]

Toyota hybrids are stoopidly self preserving. It would be fine.

Good information to know. Thanks

 

[Ws6]

Sometimes I grow tired of the techniques required to get stellar slash phenomenal mpgs in hybrids as you didn't buy one to get mediocre mpgs...

I don't need the coaching or video game nonsense either... sometimes you just want to drive without thinking about it.....

I drove my prime in HV Sport. 35-45mpg typically. It was one aspect where it exceeded expectation.

 

[Zee09]

I drove my prime in HV Sport. 35-45mpg typically. It was one aspect where it exceeded expectation.

This is the extreme I speak of.....
It's available but the hassle ain't worth it...on a new car with very low miles too...