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Another reason to dislike the Honda 1.5T
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What's wrong with a piece of cardboard in front of the rad?
Really though, it's amazing that the engine can be so efficient that it can't keep itself warm in the winter.
I noticed something similar in my Ranger. My route home from work has more downhill than up (Lots of off-throttle coasting) and the truck took about 5 miles to warm up. I would actually watch the temp drop going downhill. And this is in GA, a place not especially renowned for our cold winters. The Acura's coolant is up to temp in less than half the distance.
Really though, it's amazing that the engine can be so efficient that it can't keep itself warm in the winter.
I noticed something similar in my Ranger. My route home from work has more downhill than up (Lots of off-throttle coasting) and the truck took about 5 miles to warm up. I would actually watch the temp drop going downhill. And this is in GA, a place not especially renowned for our cold winters. The Acura's coolant is up to temp in less than half the distance.
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Like I mentioned recently, a technician said they still have not fixed those issues and, the best part, ....” the oil comes out like water”.
Even Canadian maple syrup comes out thicker than that.
I have zero confidence in Honda Turbo cars.
If I couldn’t buy a non turbo , I would buy a boring non turbo ( manual.....Toyota still offers them ) Toyota.
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Last month my spouse and I went on a ski trip into the Rockies with another couple.
I had a rented VW Golf with a turbocharged engine. When starting out in the frosty mornings, I had to beat that little engine until it created heat...and it did!
Was I causing undue stress and wear on the engine and powertrain (engine mostly)? probably, but this is the extent we are forced to operate vehicles these days, just so we can operate them safely (unfrosted windshield, reasonably warm, etc.).
I had a rented VW Golf with a turbocharged engine. When starting out in the frosty mornings, I had to beat that little engine until it created heat...and it did!
Was I causing undue stress and wear on the engine and powertrain (engine mostly)? probably, but this is the extent we are forced to operate vehicles these days, just so we can operate them safely (unfrosted windshield, reasonably warm, etc.).
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Well, probably that most cannot even locate where their radiator is on newer vehicles, let alone find a reasonable way to attach a piece of cardboard to it. And if they do manage to attach it, then they run the risk of overheating the engine....and I can guarantee that no warranty would cover that damage.
The problem is not isolated to Honda. There's many other manufacturers with similar issues on small displacement engines.
I owned a Focus 1.0 liter 3-cyl. EcoBoost in Northern MN. On the really cold days (around -20F) the temp gauge never hit the normal spot in the middle of the gauge, but the vents still put out plenty of heat.
I actually made a custom black vinyl cover for the upper grill, but it didn’t change much. (The car also had active grill shutters so they were probably closed anyway).
Loved the car. If it had AWD I’d still be driving it.
I actually made a custom black vinyl cover for the upper grill, but it didn’t change much. (The car also had active grill shutters so they were probably closed anyway).
Loved the car. If it had AWD I’d still be driving it.
I'd go further. I'd imagine a lot of them don't even know how to open the hood. People are truly stupid these days.
My 2014 Cruze was like this. I could drive for 15 minutes until I got heat. Once I got heat it was great, it just took forever to get there. If you turned the fan on full blast you could watch the temperature gauge drop.
"Ain't no replacement for displacement!"
2019 CR-V here, no issues with oil dilution.
Guy can sell me that CR-V for $20K-I‘ll make it make heat!
Had that experience this past winter with the CX-5 when it was in the single digits for a couple weeks in STL. Thought I was imagining it the first time the temp gauge actually dropped. Then I noticed it happen a couple more times.
I figured out that waiting until the engine was up to temp (basically by the time I got on the highway and higher consistent RPMs) to turn on the heat made everything work out better. Heated seats help a lot with that whole waiting period.
Sounds like they need an electric heater in the HVAC box. Shutters might not work, engine might just not be making enough heat for the job--super cold air from the outside being brought into the HVAC, just too much heat loss at low engine loading. Only problem is, the hefty electrical load imposed by that.
I wonder if one could do something with the ATF pump, something off a high pressure line, with the idea of creating high pressure (and thus heat) and then pumping that heat into the cabin. It would load the engine, which helps raise coolant temp too.
Can't get around the fact that, to raise the temperature of the air inside the cabin, one has to expend energy. In ye olden days that heat was free--now the vehicles are getting too good at not wasting heat.
I wonder if one could do something with the ATF pump, something off a high pressure line, with the idea of creating high pressure (and thus heat) and then pumping that heat into the cabin. It would load the engine, which helps raise coolant temp too.
Can't get around the fact that, to raise the temperature of the air inside the cabin, one has to expend energy. In ye olden days that heat was free--now the vehicles are getting too good at not wasting heat.
With the CR-V too, there's so much empty space around the engine. I can look behind the engine and see everything on the ground; I even dropped a funnel the other day changing my oil and it went through and plinko'd its way down to the ground. And it's not a small funnel.
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That's because it's a much heavier vehicle, which stresses the motor (and creates more heat).
Similar to how Volvo offers only 4cyl engines on even it's largest SUV's. They are constantly stressed by weight, but also have dual chargers (turbo and super) which generates ample heat.
OTOH, the Honda's mentioned in the article a far lighter vehicles (as proven by their stellar fuel economy).
In the long run, all this negative PR cannot be good on Honda's bottom line.
The 1st-2nd gen Prius has a coolant thermos and a auxiliary water pump for the heater core(much like a 1970s-1990s Mercedes with the auxiliary pump and mono valve for the heater) - the thermos serves as a heat reserve to quicken warm-up times/cat light-off(hence reducing emissions and delaying for about 5-10 seconds the 1st engine start) but Prii aren’t known for strong heat. The 2nd-current versions of them have PTC elements to help boost cabin heat.
Tesla was using some weird contraption to create cabin heat, I think they’re using heat pumps now. Toyota has switched the Prius Prime/RAV4 Prime to a heat pump HVAC system.
a friend’s Subaru takes a while to get hot in the winter too.
They seem to be doing pretty good by my estimate. I see tons of new CRVs on the road. I have a friend who owns one. She loves it. Lots of Civics too.
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