Another Example of Poor Build Quality

Goes to show that PDI inspections at many dealers are a pencil whip exercise.
When I worked at the dealer level they paid 2hrs plus the work time for brakes, exhaust, fluid changes, etc for used cars and about an hour for new.
I went through them pretty thoroughly and still made out okay, some guys like you said tried to pencil whip the job but it was a good dealer with very long time customers and didn't tolerate shoddy stuff like that.

They wholesaled a lot of the used cars but kept the nice ones, if you bought a used car from them it was a good car which had been thoroughly gone through. Those days are gone for the most part.
 
Once I used a gal's finger nail file to clean up the points. And a pack of matches to set the gap. Yup. I had all kindsa MSD stuff in my Vette. One day I jerked all that stuff out and went back to points.
Made me happy.
That reminds me of when I drove cross-country from NYC to San Francisco back in 1967. Had a problem with the throttle linkage somewhere in Utah, fixed it with a paper clip. Never got around to making a proper repair, and the clip worked for another two years until I got rid of the car, with the clip still doing its job.
 
That's it. The dealer charges $70. For something that costs virtually zilch to make.
looks like a slightly longer version of the filter in my deisel engine, also FCA....

15 euro for genuine..

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I get it, these things are frustrating and so easily preventable.

However, having a loose nut and connector seems like a pretty miniscule thing to attribute to terrible quality.


Perhaps but consider that the person on the line has a set routine and a few things that need to be done.

More and more I sense that we are going backwards to the 70’s when brand new cars had missing items or things had to be fixed before purchasing.

“Don’t worry about that, we will get that taken care before you drive it away today.”
 
Oh my goodness, Chrysler forgot to torque down a fastener and now the truck is junk!!!

Let me tell you, loose fasteners is a fact of life with automobiles. Not to rag on GM because I’ve owned tons of them and I generally liked them, but I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had random bolts and nuts come loose. I’ve had numerous GM’s where a fastener randomly falls from somewhere within the dashboard. I literally have a baggie in the garage with random fasteners that have fallen from the dashboards of cars I’ve owned, even new while still under warranty. It’s an odd feeling when a bolt hits you on the leg as you’re driving, I can’t make this stuff up.

It’s not a big deal. I’ve never gone searching for where those fasteners even go. Don’t really want to go tearing apart a whole dash for some bolt, screw, or nut. You’d never know it was missing a fastener either because nothing negative ever seemed to happen as a consequence.

I’ll never forget the sound of a nut falling from somewhere in one of my cars dashboards. It sounded like someone was playing a game of plinko. 😂
 
In general, yes.
It's different now. You didn't used to need an aftermarket warranty to make car ownership past 100k affordable.

I know, BITOG dinosaurs bad, but why do we even discuss maintenance if it isn't about keeping something around? If you get rid of it before the warranty ends it literally doesn't matter as long as you do the bare minimum.
 
Let me tell you, loose fasteners is a fact of life with automobiles. Not to rag on GM because I’ve owned tons of them and I generally liked them, but I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had random bolts and nuts come loose. I’ve had numerous GM’s where a fastener randomly falls from somewhere within the dashboard. I literally have a baggie in the garage with random fasteners that have fallen from the dashboards of cars I’ve owned, even new while still under warranty. It’s an odd feeling when a bolt hits you on the leg as you’re driving, I can’t make this stuff up.


What that tells me is that you are buying the wrong brands of vehicles.
 
Our Kia carnival had a harness plug not connected at all to one of the door opening buttons. Instead of putting in the dealers hands i just popped the piece out for a look. It happens.
 
Wasn't the Corolla-clone Geo assembled there, too? My aunt had one of those.
The Corollas and Geo Prizms were on the same lines; I kinda recall there were 2 lines for the cars and 1 for the trucks.
The Pontiac Vibe was built there, which was a Corolla hatchback.
They were building a Tundra mfg line but then they shuttered the plant.
 
Once I used a gal's finger nail file to clean up the points. And a pack of matches to set the gap. Yup.
I had all kindsa MSD stuff in my Vette. One day I jerked all that stuff out and went back to points.
Made me happy.
I don't like points...but I would take them over some of the aftermarket (Pertronix) conversions.
 
Too much electronics. Computing power is nice on a 777 airliner but not on cars. All things equal less parts that can fail means less parts to fail.
That is a big part of my anxiety about new cars or cars in general going into the future. They are putting things in and on cars simply because they can. Not because they are needed. OMG... I am with you less means less to fail. Oh and the big thing for automakers I feel is their glee over the fact with in just a few more years , no one except the very few Dealership Technicians will be able to trouble shoot or fix anything. Seems like less and less people today are interested in learning how to do anything for themselves or to vehicles except for "insert key and mash peddle!" well if there is an actual key... I knew we were headed down the wrong road the first time someone told me a story of "man I had to replace the battery on the wife's new Chevy.... only trouble was, I had to remove the front tire and.....!!!"
 
About twenty bucks from Summit.
I know, but you used to be able to go into a parts store and yhere were 10 or more brands, quality and prices. Starting at less than $2.
When I put the points back in my old Vette years ago, the store had 1 set and was about $20.

By the way, Pertronix has worked flawlessly for me in several cars.
 
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