Another Cop gone haywire.

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Originally Posted By: Win
Berated? Roughly handled? Whatever happened to taking it like a man when you're busted?


Whatever happened to the expectation that police treat citizens with respect and set a good example for how people should act toward one another within civilized society? Okay, I'll admit I haven't been around long enough to even try to argue that it ever existed.
 
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That one is a horse's anal cavity. And should actually be prosecuted for assault on that boy. Verbal abuse is one thing (not justified either here).
 
I'm all for cops putting the smack down when needed - like the vid I posted of the schmuck who got tazered when he was clearly speeding and refusing to sign the speeding ticket.

But this incident is way over the line. Cops can't just straight up assault people, especially kids. If skateboarding is illegal there, write the kiddies tickets or arrest them and haul em in. Don't blatantly assault them. If my kid had been treated like that, I'd have pressed charges and sued that fat [censored] cop from here to Timbuktu. He needs to be fired last year.
 
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I got to wonder, 17 years on the force and he's patrolling the Harbour? I guess he could be 'Burnt out' and has been put on special duty, but either way he needs treatment and/or letting go.
You got to wonder about this 'paid suspension' Must be nice!
There was an item on TV last week about a Canadian cop that was picking up teen age girls and having sex while on duty. He's been on paid suspension for YEARS! Even he says "as a taxpayer I think it's wrong for me to still be being paid after I admited what I did"
 
Originally Posted By: rpn453
Originally Posted By: Win
Berated? Roughly handled? Whatever happened to taking it like a man when you're busted?


Whatever happened to the expectation that police treat citizens with respect and set a good example for how people should act toward one another within civilized society?
ding ding ding ding ding

Exactly right. The kid needs correction and guidance, sure, but that cop's attitude and approach will only foster further apathy and disillusionment in the kid. I've watched good 'fathering' happen before and it didn't look like that. There's a happy middle ground between coddling and the documented shenanigans.

Lesson the kid needs: Listen to authority (adults in general) politely and treat them respectfully.

Lesson the kid learned: Cops think they've been deified but they're actually disrespectful a------s.
 
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If an officer gets burned out dealing with the "bottom of the barrel" elements of society, the cop is either: 1) a member of an agency that fails to properly care for its officers, or 2) in altogether the wrong line of work.

Hey, I do criminal defense work (mostly court appointed at this point since I'm still rebuilding my practice since returning from active duty) for a living. If you're not prepared to deal with the fine citizens who are the "usual suspects," then you need to find another line of work. Just that simple. Law enforcement is not for power trippers who get off on being "respected," it's for mature adults who care about their communities, and are willing to dedicate their work lives to making life better for everyone. Dealing with the A-holes out there, while not violating the constitution, not descending to the same level as the criminal, and not insisting upon adulation is a tall order. Many succeed at this monumental challenge (I suspect that our respected member farrarfan has...), and many don't.

The explosive spread of video capability has served to show just how tough a challenge goo law enforcement work really is.
 
"Respected member" is a real stretch but thanks anyway EK. Fortunately I don't deal with the absolute dredges of society that members of large metropolitan forces do on a daily basis as a member of a state police agency. In all honesty I don't think I could function in that environment. What's frustrating to me and I'm sure wantin150 and frank2009 would agree, is that the bad cops that show up in these videos are a minority in most communities. We've had our share just like any department but most of the time they don't last very long before they get canned. I'm sure politics and the good old boy syndrome exists in some communities. If someone is a victim of bad treatment by a police officer there are usually ways to address it. It may not be easy and it may take some time and effort but pursue it through the legal system if you can't find a remedy by the departments command.

Some people just can't understand that most of us do it because we truly believe in what we're doing.No we're not out to save the world, but maybe if we can make just a little difference in the little corner of the country we serve in every great once in awhile then it's worth it. All we ask is don't lump every officer in with the trash that show up in the videos.
 
Maybe he just had a bad day and was out of sick time. Those sick days aren't just for physical somatic complaints. Many are "mental health days". We're too used to "if you can make it into work - there's no better place to be miserable".
 
Well, they didn't trust him with a normal police car, but they sent him on his way in this policified golf cart. Didn't look like the 24 Volt model...
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I'm ok with it..The lesson needs to be for the common maggotry, behave or be the recipient of a cop-administered beat-down. Especially in urban areas.

A simple lesson, really. When a cop lights you up from behind, don't run, produce your license and registration in an efficient manner, don't be drunk, don't be smoking weed in the car, and take your ticket like a man. Remain polite, and by all means try to joke or explain your way out of the ticket, but nothing is gained by getting ugly with the guy.

Violate these street or roadside police-management policies, and you're guilty (quite without jury input) of a separate charge, T.O.P. (ticking off the police), properly making yourself the object of a police beatdown. These mopes that get smacked around by the cops intrigue me. They violate the law, attract the attention of law enforcement, then impede the guy, hassle him him, give him a lot of [censored], and then complain they get the deserved beatdown.

No sympathies for mopes, all sympathy for the issues faced by the cops during these incidents.
 
I think the whole problem with this thread was the title, "Another cop gone haywire." The Implication is that its common.

It changes the scope of the topic from "A badcop Incident" to "cops are bad."
 
Originally Posted By: MarkC
It would be nice if I could do something so wrong at my job and get paid leave while the powers that be decide what to do about it.


I was just thinking the same thing. Please punish me! Is this incentive or punishment?
 
Originally Posted By: mcrn
Originally Posted By: MarkC
It would be nice if I could do something so wrong at my job and get paid leave while the powers that be decide what to do about it.


I was just thinking the same thing. Please punish me! Is this incentive or punishment?


Well, investigations may take some time and are probably done in some methodical review manner. It would be a real hard deal to suspend a bunch of officers routinely for alleged misconduct when you probably clear most of them due to false accusations. So, if you want to keep a police force "in force" ...you had better not have too many seeking other employment just because they got accused into bankruptcy.
 
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
So, if you want to keep a police force "in force" ...you had better not have too many seeking other employment just because they got accused into bankruptcy.

Yes Gary that is a major major issue.

I know personally I do carry concealed maybe 25% of the time. But I know full well in the very very unlikely event that I would shoot in self defense, I would be sued into oblivion. I try to limit it by carrying huge liability and 401K and joint accounts are harder to attack.

But think of the poor cop who makes that decision maybe every year (more or less)
 
Another cop gone haywire...didn't watch the video. I can only imagine. I'm not, nor never will, defend the bad cops. Some people just aint right for the job and applicant processing to me seems far from an exact science. I would guess that in small towns, applicant screening is near non existent.

"It would be nice if I could do something so wrong at my job and get paid leave while the powers that be decide what to do about it." It's called due process. In my city there is a whole bureaucracy consisting of lawyers, investigators and support staff reviewing questionable incidents. Yes, many guys are punished; some are even fired.

When i first became a police officer a wise old lieutenant said "act like you're being video taped, because you probably are" Maybe the best advice i ever received.
 
Originally Posted By: frank2009
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When i first became a police officer a wise old lieutenant said "act like you're being video taped, because you probably are" Maybe the best advice i ever received.


Excellent advice. Given the proliferation of cameras, even more so today. Perusing through some of the "officer misconduct" videos on YouTube is just amazing. The one that really astonished me was apparently a Cops clip (taping starts from inside the cruiser) in which the officer just flips over a kid skateboarding in a "no skateboarding" zone, and ends up clubbing him with a folding chair.

I'm guessing this guy didn't get the same sage advice...
 
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