Amsoil XL-7500

buster · Feb 2, 2003

I was just reading the specs. on Amsoil's retail competitive XL-7500 series oils. Being they are group III's, do they still have a decent additive package? The specs seem comparable to Mobil 1, only M1 is group IV.

I don't here of many people running this line. I'm not sure how much cheaper they are or who carries them in the retail market, but it seems they are not worth it when the better line is not to much more.

[ February 02, 2003, 09:05 PM: Message edited by: buster ]

mdv · Feb 2, 2003

quote:

Originally posted by buster:
I was just reading the specs. on Amsoil's retail competitive XL-7500 series oils. Being they are group III's, do they still have a decent additive package? The specs seem comparable to Mobil 1, only M1 is group IV.

I don't here of many people running this line. I'm not sure how much cheaper they are or who carries them in the retail market, but it seems they are not worth it when the better line is not to much more.

Knowing Amsoil, I'm sure they didn't skimp on the additive package and the XL-7500's are probably the most robust Group III's on the market.

They're no that much cheaper than their regular line, so there's not much point in using them, IMHO. They were created for the folks who are really worried about warranty and for the quick lube market. Us oil fanatics can do better than that.

rich mds · Feb 2, 2003

I gotta say I was confused too, why make the 7500 line when it is only 7,500 changes and about $.40 cheaper than the regular synthetic they carry.
But I never thought about the quick lube places. But then again couldnt they still sell their regular line and if quick lubes wanted to recommend 3-5,000 changes they still could?

msparks · Feb 2, 2003

quote:

Originally posted by buster:
I was just reading the specs. on Amsoil's retail competitive XL-7500 series oils. Being they are group III's, do they still have a decent additive package? The specs seem comparable to Mobil 1, only M1 is group IV.

I don't here of many people running this line. I'm not sure how much cheaper they are or who carries them in the retail market, but it seems they are not worth it when the better line is not to much more.

Yes they still have a great additive package. Actually the oil has been continuously test at drains over over double the recommended with no problems.

I believe it has a TBN of 9

So you should not worry about protection. I would have to say that the XL7500 is better for extended drains than the Penz,Castrol, Valvoline group III synthetics.

msparks · Feb 2, 2003

quote:

Originally posted by rich mds:
I gotta say I was confused too, why make the 7500 line when it is only 7,500 changes and about $.40 cheaper than the regular synthetic they carry.
But I never thought about the quick lube places. But then again couldnt they still sell their regular line and if quick lubes wanted to recommend 3-5,000 changes they still could?

The program is designed for the quick lube market. Actually a quick lube makes very little profit on a conventional oil change. Therefore they can increase profits/change, give the customer the convienence, and free up space and time to do even more customers.

On the customer side, it is actually cheaper to change every 7500 than it is to do it 3000 with a conventional oil.

As an amsoil dealer you would think that quick lubes would be rushing to do this program, but I guess everyone can't be SMART!!!

Spector · Feb 2, 2003

Well, they can do more customers in theory but only if they are at capacity now. Otherwise getting that 3000 mile change customer in their more often leads to sales of ATF,air filters, etc and more profits.

I was personally disappointed that when Amsoil went to the hydrocracked formula for the XL series they only dropped the price by peanuts but they also continue to market the oil as "SYNTHETIC" in the same light as Castrol etc. Other then warranty issues I can not understand why anyone would use this stuff especially when Mobil 1 satisfies the bill in all cases and less expensive to boot! And, as noted, the full syntheitc line of 10W and 5W is basically the same price.

TooSlick · Feb 2, 2003

Mike,

The TBN on the SL version of the XL-7500 Series stuff is 10.0-10.5 ....When they went to the Group III basestock they made the additive package more robust.

regards,

Ted

Al · Feb 2, 2003

quote:

Originally posted by msparks:

As an amsoil dealer you would think that quick lubes would be rushing to do this program, but I guess everyone can't be SMART!!!

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I wonder if its a liability issue for the quickchange specialist? A cart blanche 7500 miles could go against manufacture warranty requirements. And I realize that Amsoil warrants their product. Still the fact is that they have never paid off on a warranty. There are sure to be issues with folks coming back on the lube oil change if their engines blows at greater than 5 or 6 K on the oil change. Sure-the dealer may not ultimately be responsible buts its a risk I would not take as a quick oil changer. As it stands not the dealer tell's the custoner: "come back in 3K"-No blood on his hands if the customer comes back at 6K. But as soon as he says come back in 7.5 K

his butt is out there (in my opinion). Even if he doesn't put it in writing there will be an "implied" understanding that the customer can go the 7.5K Joe Quick-Lube will be responsible for every one of his XL-7500 customer's engines that go sour after 3K- Granted-all of these engnes will not be "sound" as Amsoil requires. But the burdon of proof would first go to the quicklube guy. I remember when I was a dealer I discussed with Amsoil what to do if a warranty clame arose with one of my customers. I asked If I should just give them Amsoil's technical/legal number. They told me to give them another copy of Amsoil's warranty. They did ***not*** want the customer to contact them

. Didn't really matter to me as I only sold the stuff to really close friends and relatives-just to get and give the discount

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In short I don't agree with the I guess everyone can't be SMART!!! - Thats just my opinion though

[ February 03, 2003, 09:15 AM: Message edited by: Al ]

mdv · Feb 2, 2003

quote:

Originally posted by Spector:
Well, they can do more customers in theory but only if they are at capacity now. Otherwise getting that 3000 mile change customer in their more often leads to sales of ATF,air filters, etc and more profits.

Even if their customer base stays exactly the same, the quick lube's profits will still go up slightly. The theory is also that once they build credibility with the Amsoil line those customers will also consider the add on services with ATF, gear lube etc... further increasing profits AND making life easier on the customers.

The problem is convincing the operators that they will still make money at 7500 mile intervals as they hate to give up that cash cow and also convincing customers that their engine will not explode if you go past 3k. As some posts here have indicated, some people change their oil every 1k regardless! That's a hard customer to reach.

msparks · Feb 2, 2003

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Originally posted by mdv:

quote:

Originally posted by Spector:
Well, they can do more customers in theory but only if they are at capacity now. Otherwise getting that 3000 mile change customer in their more often leads to sales of ATF,air filters, etc and more profits.

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Even if their customer base stays exactly the same, the quick lube's profits will still go up slightly. The theory is also that once they build credibility with the Amsoil line those customers will also consider the add on services with ATF, gear lube etc... further increasing profits AND making life easier on the customers.

The problem is convincing the operators that they will still make money at 7500 mile intervals as they hate to give up that cash cow and also convincing customers that their engine will not explode if you go past 3k. As some posts here have indicated, some people change their oil every 1k regardless! That's a hard customer to reach.

Actually, I would like anyone to show me a quick lube that has 100% of their customers changing at 3000!!!!

According to National Oil and Lube News the avergae is up to 4800 miles. So guess what, all those brain surgeon quick lube managers are losing money on every customer that goes even 1 mile over the 3000.

With the 7500, they only need to count on 2 times a year, regardless of miles. Of coarse more often is just money in the bank!!

Now with regard to 7500 miles, this interval is back by virtually all of the current auto manufactures. GM, Ford, Chrysler.... So I don't see a problem with that.

msparks · Feb 2, 2003

quote:

Originally posted by Spector:

I was personally disappointed that when Amsoil went to the hydrocracked formula for the XL series they only dropped the price by peanuts but they also continue to market the oil as "SYNTHETIC" in the same light as Castrol etc. [/QB]

Me too, but what can you do in the face of stiff competition? Isn't mobil 1 the only off the shelf synthetic now? You can't blame Amsoil for following suit with their lower priced stuff. Also one thing at least was that Amsoil Admitted to the change up front unlike castrol, penz, quaker, havoline, etc...

Lastly, I feel that this 7500 is a good introduction for those that are deathly afraid of extended drains. With this they can get used to slightly extended, then move up to the real stuff from there.

mdv · Feb 3, 2003

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Originally posted by msparks:
Actually, I would like anyone to show me a quick lube that has 100% of their customers changing at 3000!!!!

According to National Oil and Lube News the avergae is up to 4800 miles. So guess what, all those brain surgeon quick lube managers are losing money on every customer that goes even 1 mile over the 3000.

With the 7500, they only need to count on 2 times a year, regardless of miles. Of coarse more often is just money in the bank!!

I never said they were smart

Whimsey · Feb 3, 2003

msparks, Careful when you make blanket statements about manufacture oil change interval requirements. Ford's is 5,000 mi, not 7,500 mi. You let the oil change go to 7,500 mi, your warranty could be toast if you have engine problems. Of course what you do after the warranty ends is up to you.

Whimsey

Patman · Feb 3, 2003

Another example is Honda Canada. Up here they list all oil changes must be done according to the severe service schedule, which is every 6000km (3700 miles) I never bothered following that myself though, and after the break in was over I went straight to 10,000km intervals.

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