Amsoil users please advise

[Bambam]

Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: jim3029
I have a 2005 Century with 14L 60 series Detroit,just over 900,000 miles. It is an egr engine but it is turned off. I was going to change to synthetic for extended oil changes and hoping for better mpg. I'm told some of the drivers here in WI are using the Amsoil series 3000 5w-30 I believe with bypass filter. I don't use any oil between 20,000 mile oil change now and my mechanic says if I change to synthetic I may have leaks.

Is leaking a real problem? If not does anyone have a recommendation about the Amsoil series 3000 5w-30? Anyone seeing increase in mpg or other benifits?


Thanks for asking about Amsoil. It's always interesting to see others who have never actually used Amsoil instantly recommend other products.

First I would not recommend other viscosities straight away or perhaps start with the 5W-30 HDD during the winter only. My general recommendation is a couple extended runs with the 15W-40 AME and see what the UOA is telling you.

Unless you already have leaks, synthetic oil will not cause leaks.

Anyway please contact me for an Amsoil Commercial Account. Thanks!




What your post should have said.

 

[Quattro Pete]

Originally Posted By: Bambam

What your post should have said.

To be fair, Pablo is a paying sponsor on this forum. Why should he not be allowed to suggest someone contact him regarding Amsoil product purchase if said someone specifically asked about it?

 

[dnewton3]

He has done nothing wrong in that regard.

 

[HomebrewerWI]

Long time/first time....

My take - guy asks about using Amsoil, Doug responded with a something else immediately and didn't answer any of the questions.

When pressed he said he's used Amsoil but not "cost effectively".

Don't believe you can compare the cost effectiveness of an oil on 2 separate continents with difference costs/currencies etc. It's not like you're buying it from the same store at the same discount/price.

Nothing was mentioned in the actual performance of the 2.

As to the OP's question - you may see a mpg increase and at today's fuel even 1% is welcome - given you've put 900k on the truck, I don't see you suddenly forgetting how to drive or driving differently so you can't tell if the oil's helped or not.
Tractors of a similar spec where I work are averaging 6.3 across the board with a full syn fill.

Leaking should not be a problem - if the engine's been maintained till now and you continue to maintain it. Each engine is its own person so to speak but if you do some good UOAs - you should be able to push your drain intervals which will likely be the biggest benefit.

 

[Bambam]

Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: Bambam

What your post should have said.

To be fair, Pablo is a paying sponsor on this forum. Why should he not be allowed to suggest someone contact him regarding Amsoil product purchase if said someone specifically asked about it?


The OP asked about Amsoil users, not people that sell it.

It sickening that someone gets their panties in a bunch when another member doesn't praise the all mighty product whatever it might be.

 

[Quattro Pete]

Originally Posted By: Bambam
The OP asked about Amsoil users, not people that sell it.

I am fairly sure Pablo is an Amsoil user as well.

 

[bigjl]

Surely it isn't just about Amsoil if a forum member has found a product to work better for him in similar use.

It does seem a little strange that Amsoil is primarily used in the US.

And perhaps that is why in different markets it does indeed make little financial sense.

Wasn't that what Doug said? He basically couldn't get a decent fiscal return on Amsoil but could on Delvac?

I will have to read the thread again but I don't think Doug said Amsoil was no good just that it didn't pay for him and offered what he has found does pay.

 

[bigjl]

Interesting comments.

What is the name you normally post under?

 

[SteveSRT8]

Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: Bambam
The OP asked about Amsoil users, not people that sell it.

I am fairly sure Pablo is an Amsoil user as well.


Seems likely!!!

Good one, Pete.

 

[LargeCarManX2]

Lets do a cost per mile under the following conditions, Pablo you can give your best price on a 55 gallon drum commercial price on 5w30 hdd and Doug your best purchase price of Mobil offering of 5w40 by the 55 gallon drum breakdown.

Lets do a 35,000 miles oil change without any filter but the stock fullflow. Should be easy to figure out? No oil usage either. So 12 gallons@ $$$ divided by 35,000 miles is.....?

And the Weiner is?

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: LargeCarManX2
Lets do a cost per mile under the following conditions, Pablo you can give your best price on a 55 gallon drum commercial price on 5w30 hdd and Doug your best purchase price of Mobil offering of 5w40 by the 55 gallon drum breakdown.

Lets do a 35,000 miles oil change without any filter but the stock fullflow. Should be easy to figure out? No oil usage either. So 12 gallons@ $$$ divided by 35,000 miles is.....?

And the Weiner is?



Is Amsoil sold in Australia? In all fairness the cost would have to be in US $$ for both products. So the price should be shopped in the US. Then while you're at it toss in a UOA and see what is protecting the engine better.

 

[HomebrewerWI]

Originally Posted By: bigjl
Interesting comments.

What is the name you normally post under?


Assume you were talking to me. I don't post under anything else. I'm no one's sock puppet. Like I said - long time/first time.

I finally signed up as I'm responsible for a largish fleet of tractors similarly spec-ed as the OP's and wanted to participate. And for the record - we don't use Amsoil but a Mobil product with a very long OCI on engines with EGR and DPF systems.


I admit, I let my emotions get a hold of me and they pushed me into the thread. Guy asked a question, response had nothing to do with the question and quickly devolved into a [censored] match.

Q: "I'm looking to buy a new F150 - how's the legroom in the rear?"

A: "Look at Chevy's - they come in blue"

How does that answer help? It doesn't. When pushed by the Amsoil guy - the respondent admitted to using it but wasn't cost effective for him. A valid reason NOT to use something but you can NOT compare or use that reasoning for a person intending to use a product on a different continent. Cost is about the most irrelevant discussion in that instance. OP never asked about it - was performance based question, not value/cost.

 

[LargeCarManX2]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: LargeCarManX2
Lets do a cost per mile under the following conditions, Pablo you can give your best price on a 55 gallon drum commercial price on 5w30 hdd and Doug your best purchase price of Mobil offering of 5w40 by the 55 gallon drum breakdown.

Lets do a 35,000 miles oil change without any filter but the stock fullflow. Should be easy to figure out? No oil usage either. So 12 gallons@ $$$ divided by 35,000 miles is.....?

And the Weiner is?



Is Amsoil sold in Australia? In all fairness the cost would have to be in US $$ for both products. So the price should be shopped in the US. Then while you're at it toss in a UOA and see what is protecting the engine better.


I am sure Doug has connections to set the price in US dollars. Ok Doug, what is your cost for a 55 gallon drum and then the 12 gallon fill X 35,000 miles =? cost per mile....

come-on Pablo step up to the plate

 

[SteveSRT8]

I agree... let's have a man-to-man toe-to-toe debate here with FACTS!

 

[bigjl]

Perhaps Doug could have offered more information regarding his previous use of Amsoil.


But one of the posters has a commercial interest and one is just offering an opinion based on experience.

Amsoil does themselves no favour by using the marketing approach they do.

They make it so expensive to stock the product outside the US it is almost as if they have no interest in anything outside the US.

From my research Delvac products appear to be formulated to last every bit as long I'd not longer than the best Amsoil ones.

And I can get get 10w40 synth HDEO for £3:63 a litre + vat (20%).

Equivalent Amsoil would be three or four times the price.

Any wonder why Amsoil may not be seen as the great saviour of the world outside of North America?

 

[Quattro Pete]

Originally Posted By: bigjl
They make it so expensive to stock the product outside the US it is almost as if they have no interest in anything outside the US.

It's a boutique oil company. The oil is produced in the US (isn't it?). By the time you add on export/shipping cost to other parts of the world, it's going to get expensive. Do you think boutique European oils would be cheap if they were imported into the US?

By the way, I don't really understand why we're even having this discussion about Amsoil in other parts of the world. The OP is in Wisconsin. Amsoil's international prices are irrelevant to this thread.

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Do you think boutique European oils would be cheap if they were imported into the US?


Absolutely. Compare even any Motul, LM, or Total prices in North America to Amsoil. They're not even really boutique oils in Europe, yet their costs are staggering here.

 

[bigjl]

Actually no you could source Amsoil at US preferred customer prices and get it delivered to a US address the. Ship it to the UK in quantities that would allow you to build up sales.

But no Amsoil want anybody outside the US to buy container loads several times a year, only two places to get Amsoil in the UK and both charge more in pounds than the max retail price of Amsoil in the US.

The relevance to price comes in when everybody jumped on Doug when he stated he found Mobil Delvac to make better financial sense, perhaps he should have mentioned that he had used Amsoil but you could always say that has no relevance either. You do realise Dougs statements are based partly on where he lives and works, Australia.

But his knowledge of oils has no geographical boundaries as such but is impacted by the way Amsoil do business.

And I have imported things to the UK from Japan several times and it really doesn't cost that much. Well not unless you have to buy stupid quantities up front, several times a year.

And to mention expensive oil products in the UK is interesting, Opieoils carry a wide selection of oil including over priced Amsoil, or at least a couple of products.

Where would I find US prices for Silkolene or Motul products in the US.

 

[bigjl]

Don't get me wrong I wish I could get Amsoil at sensible prices, but till then it won't make financial sense for many, which I think is a shame.

 

[Quattro Pete]

Originally Posted By: bigjl
You do realise Dougs statements are based partly on where he lives and works, Australia.

That's for Doug to clarify. He's lived and worked all over the world from what I remember, so his experience may not necessarily be limited to Australia.