Amsoil Synthetic Blend Engine Oils

I'm not asking anything.
Well within my lifetime there really weren’t oil change places and easily most men changed oil, those who couldn't went to trusted mechanic, not so often the dealer. When did this tipping point occur?

And I tell you even though oils were inferior then people most likely knew what oil brand was in the engine
 
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Amsoil only gets into a segment once it is very well established. People are only just getting into accepting the idea that most ‘regular’ oils are now syn-blends. Trust me, I answer tons of questions about ‘where is the conventional oil? All I see is synthetic blend’
Now that all ‘conventional’ oils are blends, if Amsoil wants to get them into their product, here is there ‘in’. This will sell well, despite what is being said about it being a dying market, it really isn’t.
 
So let’s look at the volume side of the synthetic blend market. Really two spaces here:

OEM fill - Ford, for example hasn’t moved passed syn blends (yet), Some Subaru, some CJDR, and some other brands. These are your dealership programs. Dealerships are strongly advised to use their program.

And you have the Quick Lube or “installer” marker / independent auto shops.


Amsoil is not going after the dealer market with this product. So, let’s look at the installer market.

Could a one off indecent shop buy this product? Sure. But if they’re already not worried about price, and their customer base is loyal to them, why wouldn’t they just upsell to a full synthetic?

The quick lube market is nearly all price driven. Why? Because when you’re doing say, 150 oil changes a day. That adds up. And because you’re the price taker.

Who is the price maker? Well, first off the OEM dealership. After that, your branded chains - Jiffy Lube (Shell) VIOC (Valvoline). They carry a major brand that will command a price premium.


So your quick lubes have to settle in below them for price. Does a “brand” Help? Maybe, in some markets yes, in other markets, no. Do you have a retail gasoline station with a wide presence in that state? If so, then a brand will help because its market recognition. If the brand does not, then it won’t help much. Because you’re then reduced to price fighting.

Example of this is Take 5. They were branded Castrol for a long time, with a Mobil 1 upsell. Now, I believe they’re almost exclusively Duramax from Reladyne. Which, is a house brand just like mine.

So you’re reduced to price fighting. You can’t command the margin needed to carry all the overhead of a brand. So you need to trim all that off and get bloody on price.

Most of the world is not BITOG. People who care about their oil (users here) will do research, read and pick their favorite brand. boutique, synthetic, brand, whatever you want to go with. Pick your price point and go with it. Amsoil really dominates this market place - the DIY customers. They can command a premium for it. After that is your mass market synthetics - Mobil 1, PUP, etc.


Your “I care about my car, but I don’t change my own oil” market, goes to the dealership.

The “I don’t trust the dealership, but I want a brand” goes to Jiffy, VIOC type places.

Then finally, like my S/O before she met me, “my car has wheels, most of the time. And I think it takes oil” types to a quick lube is near by and open. Most people fall into this category.


Does that last group of people, care about a brand? They probably don’t even know brands. So upselling them is hard - let alone their price point of what they’re willing to spend.


The reason why I said this is a mature, fading market is the volume. 5-6 years ago, we used to in bound ~24 tanker loads of synthetic blends a week between my different divisions. Now it’s about ~7. Flip side of that, we would in bound 2-3 a week of full synthetics in that same period. Now we in bound probably 10-12 full synthetics loads a week. Volume is down over all on the PCEO market and will continue to decrease for the foreseeable future at about a 7% year over year rate.

Extended drain intervals (whether you believe in them or not is another thread), EVs and also, most importantly - people going back to the dealership.

Dealership business is booming. Dealerships want to capture that market. Get people coming in the doors, into the service bays, into the show rooms. Average age of cars is going up. And they want to sell cars.

The DIY business is also, very good right now. Because people want to save money. Changing your own oil, with a full synthetic, is an easy way to save what? $100 vs a dealership? Times 2 cars, twice a year - who wouldn’t want to save $400 or so if you use a full synthetic, name brand, a year. Or more?

Maybe amsoil will get some DIY’ers on it. But the volume there is basically going to be robbed from the full synthetic line up. Which, they already do a good job at. Which, goes back to why? More SKUs, more base oils to get in / store, more additives. Your cost of acquiring a consumer isn’t going down. Your overhead is going to go up. Just… I don’t get it.

I’ve worked my butt off to change our direction out of the PCEO market over the last 5 years. And to focus more on the Commercial and Industrial market where, the majority of the market cares about the products. Is there the volume in say, a cold heading lubricant, that there is syn blend PCEO? No. But, better margins and more sustainable business.

We all know HPL’s big business is compressor oils. It’s that for a reason. Mobil controls a lot of the C&I world. Citgo’s bread and butter is trucking. P66 used to be the name in Mining fluids. Chevron is natural gas compression and Agricultural. Etc.

Amsoil has a great name in the DIY market place. I just don’t see this as being a good fit with their super premium branding.

The "OEM fill" didn't even cross my mind because those guys (dealers & manufacturers) are collectively getting cheaper and cheaper. 🤣 Why pay more where you can use a less expensive oil that meets or even exceeds the requirements?

My last new SUV didn't come with any part of a roof rack. It was an "option". The one before, had the parallel rails/racks but you had to pay for the cross bars. :alien:
And our oldest new SUV came with a complete roof rack.

I can't see them using anything fancy except meeting bare minimum requirements! Especially for something that's not "visible". They are milking everything!
 
Who wants to run the 0W-20 or 5W-20 oil, do a couple UOA's?

A car with no known mechanical issues, engine calls for 5W-20 or lower 100°C viscosity.

PM Me. I will supply the oil and two UOA's via reimbursement. You order it via PC with me, I reimburse. It will be public, so follow through is required.
I'd be in and I'll PM you.
0W-20 for the HAH, of course.
 
Companies conduct market research that backfires all the time, including within the PCEO market. Remember Valvoline NextGen? How about Mobil 1 Annual Protection? Both of which received massive marketing pushes and were moved to the clearance racks shortly after release. Surely ExxonMobil had done their homework, right? Same with Rotella Gas Truck.
That's also their business strategy. Look at the board's newest darling, Restore and Protect. It was out for less than 6 months and has already been put on sale. Those were also higher cost oils, if I'm remembering correctly about NextGen. M1 AP definitely was. This is the opposite. Amsoil is bringing an even cheaper product to their lineup, surely because it's being asked for by some group. As @Pablo alluded to, it's likely the independent shops that are looking for a cheaper Amsoil product to purchase in bulk. We'll likely never know the true answer.
 
That's also their business strategy. Look at the board's newest darling, Restore and Protect. It was out for less than 6 months and has already been put on sale. Those were also higher cost oils, if I'm remembering correctly about NextGen. M1 AP definitely was. This is the opposite. Amsoil is bringing an even cheaper product to their lineup, surely because it's being asked for by some group. As @Pablo alluded to, it's likely the independent shops that are looking for a cheaper Amsoil product to purchase in bulk. We'll likely never know the true answer.


NextGen was cheaper.


It was my base oil, hauled on my trucks, with my formulation used.


NextGen was a failure in marketing. Also wrong time in the market. Which is why everyone is coming out with “re-refined” oils once again. (See another post of mine, about this at the North American lubricants expo.)


Valvoline messed up and said it was “recycled”.
 
NextGen was cheaper.


It was my base oil, hauled on my trucks, with my formulation used.


NextGen was a failure in marketing. Also wrong time in the market. Which is why everyone is coming out with “re-refined” oils once again. (See another post of mine, about this at the North American lubricants expo.)


Valvoline messed up and said it was “recycled”.
I also can't be the only one who thought the bottles on the shelf looked hideous. I felt that like you said, the verbiage in their ads, plus the aesthetics of the packaging, made it very unappealing to the general public.
 
I also can't be the only one who thought the bottles on the shelf looked hideous. I felt that like you said, the verbiage in their ads, plus the aesthetics of the packaging, made it very unappealing to the general public.

I’m semi-quoting the Valvoline representative at their presentation at the North American lubricants expo. But he said it was a complete failure in marketing. Their market research after the product was discontinued, that consumers believed it was used oil. The consumer did not understand what “recycled” meant and was confusing it with used. And, they did not want that in their vehicles. “Recycled” and “Re-Refined” was unappealing to those that did not understand what it was.

My brand, much akin to whom we were battling at the time, was branded “Eco” and we launched a cradle to grave branding initiative for it. We had several large chains on it - regionally and nationally. They advertised to their consumers that they were being eco friendly by using this product because it would go from cradle being eco friendly, to grave, being eco friendly.


It worked. But that market has moved beyond that. Which is why we dropped marketing that formulation widely. And our competitor at the time - Safety Kleen - dropped the mass marketing of their EcoPower oil around the same time. They still make it, of course. But SK doesn’t primarily market it for that purpose. Just like we don’t ours either. There is still a niche for it - primarily government contracts in US and Canada.
 
Isn’t the point of these boutique oils is to push the limits in terms of oci length? At these prices you could get a top tier off the shelf full syn oil so… I don’t get it.
 
Define "top tier off the shelf full syn oil" - the point is these oils, at $6.19 qt the oils will produce at least the same results.
mobil 1 EP, mobil 1 0w40, mobil 1 ESP, PUP, etc. several have more stringent approvals than any syn blend out there. Most are less than $6.19 a quart and I don’t have to worry about “member pricing,” shipping costs, or waiting for the package to arrive. Just walk right into any Walmart and throw it in my cart.

No knock on you or amsoil, I just personally don’t see a need for this product in the existing lineup
 
I think at $8-$10 per quart at Wally for good name brand synthetic this Amsoil syn blend does have a market. The voa shows ester and at 50% synthetic it probably out performs some otc “synthetic” oils.
 
I think at $8-$10 per quart at Wally for good name brand synthetic this Amsoil syn blend does have a market. The voa shows ester and at 50% synthetic it probably out performs some otc “synthetic” oils.
It’s not $8-10/qt at Wally’s. Name brand full synthetics are $5-6/qt when purchased in a 5 qt jug.
 
It’s not $8-10/qt at Wally’s. Name brand full synthetics are $5-6/qt when purchased in a 5 qt jug.
Amsoil syn blend is $5 and some change per qt when buying a case. Pretty darn reasonable for a quality oil if you ask me.
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mobil 1 EP, mobil 1 0w40, mobil 1 ESP, PUP, etc. several have more stringent approvals than any syn blend out there. Most are less than $6.19 a quart and I don’t have to worry about “member pricing,” shipping costs, or waiting for the package to arrive. Just walk right into any Walmart and throw it in my cart.

No knock on you or amsoil, I just personally don’t see a need for this product in the existing lineup
Not exactly sure if correct on pricing but regardless different markets. Geared for DIFM shops and existing huge base of PC customers who find it super easy to not go to Walmart.

Also looks like the term blend is being blurred. Some have already stated all oils are really blends.
 
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