Amsoil SSO 0W-30, 1993 Civic, 3,007 miles

I had the cooling system pressure checked cold, there was no apparent leaks, it held pressure. I am guessing a hairline crack somewhere that only presents under heat and pressure.

I am considering sending out two oil samples next time to see if thare are any differences.
 
Originally Posted By: harry j
I had the cooling system pressure checked cold, there was no apparent leaks, it held pressure. I am guessing a hairline crack somewhere that only presents under heat and pressure.

I am considering sending out two oil samples next time to see if thare are any differences.


I'll be sending out a sample this week on my first oil change since the last interval/report found coolant and elevated numbers. Still losing coolant over time myself, though. Are you having to top off?
 
Vehicle miles, 353,398
Miles on oil, 3,755
Amsoil 0W-30 AZO
Amsoil EAO36 oil filter
2 Filtermag CT3.2 oil filter magnets
Golden Eagle magnetic drain plug

Blackstone; Potassium and silicon increased in this sample. Potassium isn't anything new in these reports and neither is silicon, but the good news is that wear metals haven't been affected much. Potassium is the highest we've seen from your samples so if you know where it comes from, let us know since it has sparked our curiosity. As long as it's not from coolant, we're happy. TBN read strong at 6.8 with plenty of active additive left. The higher calcium level in this oil is related to the strong TBN. The ISO cleanliness code was fine at 17/17/14. Nice report again for your Civic.

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Aluminum.....4 PPM...........4universal average

Chromium.....1...............1

Iron.........7...............8

Copper.......3...............3

Lead.........0...............2

Tin..........1...............1

Molybdenum...190.............79

Nickel.......0...............0

Manganese....1...............0

Silver.......0...............0

Titanium.....0...............0

Potassium....146.............4

Boron........78..............47

Silicon......31..............12

Sodium.......22..............51

Calcium......4324............2218

Magnesium....14..............78

Phosphorus...802.............703

Zinc.........929.............826

Barium.......0...............0



Code: 
SUS Viscosity @ 210 deg F.....60.5
cST Viscosity @ 100 deg C.....10.36
Flashpoint in deg F...........415
Fuel %........................ Antifreeze %..................?
Water %.......................0
Insoluables %.................0.3
TBN...........................6.8

ISO oil cleanliness code 17/17/14

>= 2 microns.......2,348
>= 5...............870
>=10...............240
>=15...............93
>=25...............22
>=50...............2
>=100..............0

I just added a bottle of Bar's Leak to see if that slows down the Potassiun intrusion, stay tuned.
 
Vehicle miles, 356,612
Miles on oil, 3,212
Amsoil 0W-30
Amsoil EAO36 oil filter
Twin Filtermag CT3.2
Golden Eagle magnetic oil drain plug
Bottle of Bar's leak

Blackstone; Thanks for the notes about the silicone sealer your mechanic used. That probably helps to explain why silicon
has been reading so high in the past, and since wear metals
continue to look fine in your engine, it doesn't seem to be a problem. We can say the same for Potassium, since that's been
an ongoing issue for your engine as well. It's a lot better here than last time (maybe your stop-leak is helping?), but it will have to come down more before we call it normal. For now, we'll just watch trends. The TBN was good at 4.5 and the PC was
17/16/13, clean, nice report.

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Aluminum-----4PPM-------4 universal average

Chromium-----1----------1

Iron---------5----------8

Copper-------3----------3

Lead---------0----------2

Tin----------0----------1

Molybdenum---170--------79

Nickel-------0----------0

Manganese----0----------0

Silver-------0----------0

Titanium-----0----------0

Potassium----86---------4

Boron--------105--------47

Silicon------20---------11

Sodium-------16---------50

Calcium------3820-------2190

Magnesium----15---------97

Phosphorus---772--------704

Zinc---------827--------827

Barium-------0----------0

Code: 
SUS Viscosity @ 210 deg F---58.6-------should be 57-67
cSt Viscosity @ 100 deg C---9.81----------------9.4 TO 12.4
Flashpoint in F-------------390-------------->385
Fuel %---------------------- Antifreeze %-----------------?----------------0
Water %-----------------------0---------------- Insoluables %----------------0.3-------------- TBN--------------------------4.5

Particle counts for ISO Code 17/16/13

>= 2 micron-----1287
>= 5------------477
>= 10-----------132
>= 15-----------51
>= 25-----------12
>= 50-----------1
>= 100----------0

I changed all vacuum lines, silicon sealed all air intake joints, replaced PCV system (upper and lower hoses and grommets)
Added a bottle of Bar's leak
 
You should extend to at least 5k and then build another trend. It's almost paining to see these 3k OCIs.
 
Vehicle miles: 361,190
Miles on oil: 4,578
Amsoil AZO 0W-30 oil
Amsoil EAo36 oil filter
Twin Filtermag CT3.2
Golden Eagle magnetic drain plug
4 ozs Lubromoly

Blackstone: The coolant leak isn't getting any better for your Civic's engine. In fact, potassium and sodium are higher than we've seen in the recent past and they show the leak is getting worse. We also found water in this sample at 0.3%. Wear metals were still low, so it doesn't look like the contamination is attacking internal components. The viscosity was on the mark for a 0W-30-grade oil and no fuel was found. Insoluables read 0.3%, showing good oil filtration. The TBN read 4.4 and the ISO cleanliness code was 18/17/14, so the oil was fairly clean. Keep a close eye on the coolant.

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Aluminum----1--------4universal average

Chromium----1--------1

Iron--------7--------8

Copper------2--------3

Lead--------2--------2

Tin---------2--------1

Molybdenum--316------79

Nickel------0--------0

Manganese---0--------0

Silver------0--------0

Titanium----0--------0

Potassium---196------4

Boron-------48-------47

Silicon-----21-------11

Sodium------28-------49

Calcium-----3883-----2183

Magnesium---17-------102

Phosphorus--774------703

Zinc--------855------827

Barium------0--------o

Code: 
SUS Viscosity@ 210F----------61.2----------57-67 should be
cST Viscosity @ 100 deg C----10.57---------9.4-12.4
Flashpoint in F--------------390----------->385
Fuel %----------------------- Antifreeze%-------------------POS-----------0.0
Water %-----------------------0.3%---------- Insolubles %------------------0.3%---------- TBN---------------------------4.4----------->1.0

ISO Oil Cleanliness Code= 18/17/14
>=2 Micron----2600
>=5-----------963
>=10----------266
>=15----------103
>=25----------24
>=50----------2
>=100---------0
 
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Vehicle miles-365,040
Miles on oil-3,850
Amsoil 0W-30 AZO
EAO36 oil filter
Twin Filtermag CT3.2's
Golden Eagle magnetic drain plug
4ozs Lubromoly

Blackstone; Potassium dropped quite a bit this time. We're still not 100% sure if we've got a coolant leak or not. We certainly don't have the high wear that normally goes along with coolant, but we don't know of any other source for potassium at this level other than coolant. Silicon, of course, can show dirt, but, as you know, it can be an element in coolant too. If this is coolant, it's not hurting anything, so we'd just keep doing what we're doing. The TBN was strong at 3.6 The ISO Code was clean at 15/14/11. Check back to monitor.

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Aluminum-----1PPM---------4PPM-Universal average

Chromium-----1------------1

Iron---------6------------8

Copper-------2------------3

Lead---------1------------2

Tin----------0------------1

Molybdenum---357----------79

Nickel-------0------------0

Manganese----0------------0

Silver-------0------------0

Titanium-----0------------0

Potassium----95-----------3

Boron--------89-----------47

Silicon------21-----------11

Sodium-------21-----------48

Calcium------3927---------2174

Magnesium----18-----------108

Phosphorus---779----------703

Zinc---------842----------828

Barium-------0------------0

Code: 
SUS Viscosity @ 210 F----61.1------57-67 (Should Be)
cST Viscosity @ 100 C----10.54-----9.4-12.4
Flashpoint in F----------395------->385
Fuel%-------------------- Antifreeze%--------------?---------0
Water%-------------------0--------- Insolubles%--------------0.3------- TBN----------------------3.6------->1.0
TAN not done

ISO Oil Cleanliness Code= 15/14/11

>=2 micron------358PPM
>=5-------------132
>=10------------37
>=15------------14
>=25------------3
>=50------------0
>=100-----------0
 
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No offense, but I can't believe how many people have viewed this thread.

Why on earth are you still using SSO and draining it ever 3-4k miles? Do you realize you are not gaining any benefit at all? ZERO. Amsoil's only advantage is longer drains. You're not getting any additional wear protection over any other current, modern oil.
 
Originally Posted By: harry j
It satisfies my OCD.


LMAO!!!

I can relate.

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Originally Posted By: buster
No offense, but I can't believe how many people have viewed this thread.

Why on earth are you still using SSO and draining it ever 3-4k miles? Do you realize you are not gaining any benefit at all? ZERO. Amsoil's only advantage is longer drains. You're not getting any additional wear protection over any other current, modern oil.

No kidding.
Lets go find the most expensive,longest potential drain oil on earth and not even run it long enough to affect the colour of the oil.
Not only that but why don't we buy an oil additive to add to that premium long drain oil and continue with ignoring instructions and not quite add enough for it to even have an effect.
Op
You can go to Walmart and buy the cheapest API oil they sell,run it the same mileage,and this time add the whole can of mos2. Then you could actually achieve a fuel economy increase,have more money in your pocket by spending less on oil AND on fuel and I would bet a roll that your wear numbers improve.
Unless of course your OCD frowns upon having more money?
Op
I was contemplating your bizarre routine trying to understand why a guy would spend basically double on servicing their vehicle only to dump the obviously barely used product,to just do it again.
Then,as if there was any doubt what kind of shape the oil was in,get not one but 2 uoa done.
That is like loading a few magazines with hand made gold bullets,and putting them in a backpack,to go hunt gophers,then removing each magazine after only firing a couple shots and throwing them in a lake,then repeating the exercise.
Or how about this analogy
You order the finest fillet on the menu,take 2 bites,call the waitress over to remove the plate still brimming over with finest cut of beef money can buy,then once the table has been cleared you proceed to order of the exact same thing and do it again.
As far as the testing of the oil goes that is truly the definition of insanity. Repeating the same action over and over expecting a different result.
Op,were you expecting that these short runs on quite possibly the longest drain oil on the market would heed a different result?
K. How about this one. You take money,you go buy a Harley. You ride it a few times,then you burn it.
Basically the same thing,on a smaller scale. You bought a product and threw it away long before it was used up.
Or how about you grab a roll of toilet paper. You use 5 squares of it,then throw away the roll.
Get the picture
And under dosing the mos2 is like doing laundry but only adding a teaspoon of detergent.
I am going to have to bing this OCD thing. Apparently this disorder makes the afflicted take money and flush nit down the toilet.

Op. since you are barely getting this oil warm before changing it how about pouring all your (barely) used oil into a 5 gallon pail,then once its full put a lid on er and ship it to me. I am more than happy to cover the shipping cost to get Amsoil for free.
Or maybe re-bottle it with my own label,call it Hardly Used EvsOil and use it on all my equipment at work. Woohoo extended change intervals. I can take every second weekend off now.
Think of the children and how happy they would be to have dad home an extra day every second week. I could teach my boy about Amsoil and how its capable of extremely long drains,which would teach him the value of a dollar saved,and show him that some thought right now could save him some work later,like changing the oil half as often because he thought forward and paid extra for an oil that lasts twice as long which saves him half as much work too.
....I hear violins.....and harps......

I think its the angels above playing music for that guy who posted that stellar uoa using Amsoil for 41000 miles with that by-pass system.
 
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Miles on engine- 370,099
Miles on oil- 5,059
Amsoil 0W-30 AZO
EAo36 oil filter
Twin Filtermag CT3.2's
Golden Eagle magnetic oil drain plug
4ozs Lubromoly

Blackstone Labs:
You're probably getting sick of hearing about potassium, but it's making itself an issue once again--it increased to 156PPM this time around. Silicon is holding dead even in the low 20's, so it doesn't seem to be varying in concert with potassium, but that doesn't necessarily mean the two aren't related. Given that wear metals continue to look great, even though this is the longest oil run we've seen in your recent history, we're not calling it a problem. The TBN was strong at 2.8, and the particle count was very clean, at 14/13/11. Not bad at all!

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Aluminum----3PPM-----------4-Universal average
Chromium----1--------------1
Iron--------6--------------8
Copper------3--------------3
Lead--------0--------------2
Tin---------0--------------1
Molybdenum--322------------79
Nickel------1--------------0
Manganese---0--------------0
Silver------0--------------0
Titanium----0--------------0
Potassium---156------------3
Boron-------40-------------47
Silicon-----21-------------11
Sodium------20-------------48
Calcium-----3667-----------2174
Magnesium---19-------------110
Phosphorus--744------------704
Zinc--------848------------828
Barium------0--------------0
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SUS Viscosity @ 210 Deg. F----59.2---should be 57-67
cST Viscosity @ 100 Deg. C----9.98-------------9.4-12.4
Flashpoint in Deg. F----------395------------->385
Fuel%------------------------- Water%-------------------------0.0------------ Antifreeze---------------------POS.
Insolubles---------------------0.4------------ TBN----------------------------2.8

ISO oil cleanliness code- 14/13/11

>=2 microns----252 particles
>=5------------93
>=10-----------25
>=15-----------10
>=25-----------2
>=50-----------0
>=100----------0
 
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Miles on vehicle-375,119
Miles on oil-5,020
Amsoil AZO 0W-30
Amsoil EAO36 oil filter
Twin Filtermag CT3.2 magnetic oil filters
Golden Eagle magnetic oil drain plug
7ozs Lubro Moly


Blackstone Labs;

Potassium's up, silicon up, and sodium's bolded again in this report, but what else is new? It's sort of like saying it's humid in Florida. We've seen these levels before, and the engine kept going along, happy as a clam it seems, so we're not worried about the increases right now. Wear metals are also still very much the same as they have been. This engine is noting if not consistent. Consistently odd maybe, but consistent nonetheless. The particle count was very clean at 15/14/11, and the TBN was still OK at 2.2. Low insoluble, and no fuel was found.

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Aluminum---------1------------4 universal average
Chromium---------0------------1
Iron-------------7------------8
Copper-----------3------------3
Lead-------------1------------2
Tin--------------1------------1
Molybdenum-------458----------79
Nickel-----------0------------0
Manganese--------0------------0
Silver-----------0------------0
Titanium---------0------------0
Potassium--------186----------3
Boron------------39-----------47
Silicon----------23-----------11
Sodium-----------29-----------48
Calcium----------3919---------2170
Magnesium--------16-----------113
Phosphorus-------737----------704
Zinc-------------809----------828
Barium-----------0------------0
Code:



SUS Viscosity @ 210 deg F----59.5-----------57-67 should be
cST Viscosity @ 110 deg C----10.09----------9.4-12.4
Flashpoint in Deg F----------420------------>385
Fuel %-----------------------0-------------- Antifreeze %-----------------POS-------------0
Water %----------------------0--------------- Insolubles %-----------------0.3------------- TBN--------------------------2.2------------->1.0
ISO Code--------15/14/11

Particle counts for 15/14/11;
>=2 micron---319
>=5 micron---118
>=10 micron--33
>=15 micron--12
>=25 micron--3
>=50 micron--0
>=100 micron-0
 
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