Does anyone on this board use the amsoil series 2000 0w30? Does anyone believe the "up to" 35k oci. "up to", does it sound like their way out of losing a law suit when some bone-head goes 35k on their corvette oci and the engine devolopes problems?
amsoil--series 2000 full of it?
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I am using it now simply bc the mechanics I go to use all Amsoil synthetics and I had other fluids done. Whether I stay with it or not is another story as from here on out I'll be doing my own oil changes.
S2k is way over priced and extremely over rated. It's still a decent oil but no way in **** can it go 35k miles. It does have some good qualities to it. My gas mileage is very good on this oil but I have only the factory oil to compare it too. It does have a good dose of ZDP and for the most part shows decent wear. I believe Mobil 1 R, Synergyn and German Casrtol are better 0w30 oils.
S2k is way over priced and extremely over rated. It's still a decent oil but no way in **** can it go 35k miles. It does have some good qualities to it. My gas mileage is very good on this oil but I have only the factory oil to compare it too. It does have a good dose of ZDP and for the most part shows decent wear. I believe Mobil 1 R, Synergyn and German Casrtol are better 0w30 oils.
I'm using the S2000 0w30...I've heard more bad comments about Mobil1 R than S2k.
I don't believe in the 35k OCI, though. It's been discussed on here how the s2k tends to thicken after 10,000 miles.
I don't believe in the 35k OCI, though. It's been discussed on here how the s2k tends to thicken after 10,000 miles.
I use 02K too, and after pulling a trailer all over
NM and Colo. last summer the TBN measured a 1, with Blackstone testing it, they said the 7700 miles on this oil tested like it had 4400 miles, with the wear metals, etc. But the TBN was low, and the vis. was high. But I did add some Synergyn and EssentialLube, which probably accounted for the low TBN.
NM and Colo. last summer the TBN measured a 1, with Blackstone testing it, they said the 7700 miles on this oil tested like it had 4400 miles, with the wear metals, etc. But the TBN was low, and the vis. was high. But I did add some Synergyn and EssentialLube, which probably accounted for the low TBN.
19k hiway miles w/bypass filter
http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=001789#000000
12k city miles w/bypass filter
http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=001727#000000
Conclusion: yeah, it might make 35k if you're comfortable with running a 60-70wt oil in your crank case.
http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=001789#000000
12k city miles w/bypass filter
http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=001727#000000
Conclusion: yeah, it might make 35k if you're comfortable with running a 60-70wt oil in your crank case.
The "up to" is not about law suits. It's about cars and driving conditions.
0W-30 is NOT A BAD OIL.
It is overpriced, though. I don't use it.
0W-30 is NOT A BAD OIL.
It is overpriced, though. I don't use it.
Pablo, which Amsoil do you currently use?
I am a S2K 0w30 user (with dual buypass setup). I've been changing the SDF15 filter in 6 months, and the oil and both filters annually ... which is about 12,000 miles. I did an OA last year, and will do another at this change.
I have considered going to the Amsoil 5w30, and wondered what you are currently running, and why?
I live in Maine, so we have a pretty harsh climate, coupled with a do a fair amount of short trip driving, both of which are horrible on motor oil.
Thanks, Steve
I am a S2K 0w30 user (with dual buypass setup). I've been changing the SDF15 filter in 6 months, and the oil and both filters annually ... which is about 12,000 miles. I did an OA last year, and will do another at this change.
I have considered going to the Amsoil 5w30, and wondered what you are currently running, and why?
I live in Maine, so we have a pretty harsh climate, coupled with a do a fair amount of short trip driving, both of which are horrible on motor oil.
Thanks, Steve
5W-40 Euro in one car
15W-40 in the older car
15W-40 in the older car
remember, if you go 35,000 miles and follow the filter change mandates (99% of people never drive 35,000 miles in one year) it will take years to even notice if the oil has not been doing its job. It will not be a pretty UOA IMO at 35,000 miles but your engine will not seize up either.
Personally, I use the 0W in two engines now. one for the past three years, UOA the same as with the 10W30 used previously. Why do I stick with the 0W, well, daughter at school, annual oil changes are practical and I do beleive it will hold up slightly better over a year then the 10W. The second engine I just switched to the 0W from the 10W to see if I could get better wear results on an engine that has been having so so UOA with the 10W30. So far, (driver did not know I switched weights) the driver reports a significant increase in mpg which surprised me. (never got more then 20/21 on highway now reporting close to 25 mpg highway) Will know in a few more thousand if it protects any better.
Other 3 vehicles I am sticking with the 10W30 as it does well.
35,000 miles on 0W, if you drive that many miles in a year, yea, must be all highway. Ave driver 12-18,000 miles a year, a well operating engine, easily on this oil. Oh, Lube Control does seem to work with Amsoil in extending the life.
Personally, I use the 0W in two engines now. one for the past three years, UOA the same as with the 10W30 used previously. Why do I stick with the 0W, well, daughter at school, annual oil changes are practical and I do beleive it will hold up slightly better over a year then the 10W. The second engine I just switched to the 0W from the 10W to see if I could get better wear results on an engine that has been having so so UOA with the 10W30. So far, (driver did not know I switched weights) the driver reports a significant increase in mpg which surprised me. (never got more then 20/21 on highway now reporting close to 25 mpg highway) Will know in a few more thousand if it protects any better.
Other 3 vehicles I am sticking with the 10W30 as it does well.
35,000 miles on 0W, if you drive that many miles in a year, yea, must be all highway. Ave driver 12-18,000 miles a year, a well operating engine, easily on this oil. Oh, Lube Control does seem to work with Amsoil in extending the life.
I used S2K 0W30 for three oil changes, with analysis. I switched back to M1 because I did not like the "thickening" problem. Plus my dealer was of no help so I gave up my "dealership". I will say that when I had my first analysis and was not pleased with the results, I contatced Amsoil Corporate and they replaced my oil and filter. My local Jobber did NOTHING. Nada, zip, zilch. I understand his Dad was the one who built the business and the son inherited it for the residual income only.
After the "run-around" from this Jobber, I was disillusioned by the whole Amsoil claims and went back to M1. I have used M1 since it first came out years ago.
Too bad since I was "whole-hog" on Amsoil; I am just really glad that I ran it for a year (three changes) before I went hook line and sinker for the Dual-Bypass system.
Too many Jobbers want to try to blame the user for the 0W30 thickening. Amsoil really should admit the problem. Of course some will say that it isn't a problem at all.
After the "run-around" from this Jobber, I was disillusioned by the whole Amsoil claims and went back to M1. I have used M1 since it first came out years ago.
Too bad since I was "whole-hog" on Amsoil; I am just really glad that I ran it for a year (three changes) before I went hook line and sinker for the Dual-Bypass system.
Too many Jobbers want to try to blame the user for the 0W30 thickening. Amsoil really should admit the problem. Of course some will say that it isn't a problem at all.
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Yeah, there was no claim that there would be "no wear" over a 35k OCI ...
For all we know they "use" this for their extended drain claim. Some oils we see shear down .. I'm sure that is probably factored into the factory OCI with the recommended weight. Amsoil probably eliminates that part of the equation.
One year OCI is quite doable for some people. It's not for everyone. Some appear to have low mileage to their OCI's ..but are actually doing 3, 4, or 6 month OCIs with mileage being incidental.
If I was asked if there was a functional difference between doing the factory MAX OCI with recommended dino or doing an Amsoil recommended OCI over 120,000 miles of ownership ...I would say probably not. The "one year" limit tends to be a great equalizer in this comparison.
"Some oils we see shear down .. I'm sure that is probably factored into the factory OCI with the recommended weight. Amsoil probably eliminates that part of the equation."
I believe that this is exactly correct. The reps are trained to say that going up one grade is perfectly fine, going down one is terrible. I must say that when my UOA on Amsoil has gone up a grade the wear has not suffered, really no diffence and the 0W does appear to hold grade better then the 10W
I believe that this is exactly correct. The reps are trained to say that going up one grade is perfectly fine, going down one is terrible. I must say that when my UOA on Amsoil has gone up a grade the wear has not suffered, really no diffence and the 0W does appear to hold grade better then the 10W
***NOTE that claim is based upon having a bypass filter to keep the oil clean.*** So it's constantly filtered to near-new condition.
Actually not true. 35K or one year MAX is based on regular filter changes and top-off and does not require a by-pass filter. Sure it would help, but not required. As others have stated, not too many folks do 35K under 12 months, and if you do it's gotta be long legged highway miles.
Also I want to repeat - some cars it's six months or 2 or 3 times the factory recommended OCI NOT 35K miles.
ooops...you're right.
As for the 35K interval, if you live 70 miles from work, you'll reach it. (I know a couple people who drive that far.) So not that far-fetched.
As for the 35K interval, if you live 70 miles from work, you'll reach it. (I know a couple people who drive that far.) So not that far-fetched.
drive it forever,
I used Amsoil S2K in my wife's Chrysler T&C minivan. Just posted a 14.7k UOA on the UOA forum. So I know it handled 15k just fine. Will run this fresh oil change to 20k on the Chry T&C. I really doubt that it could handle 35k, as you indicate. I do believe, under the right conditions, equipment, by-pass oil filtration conditions, and an owner who could accept a mediocre, at best, UOA after it all...it could be possible. o.k. I know that probably eliminates about 98% of us. I prefer GC 0w30 and Amsoil 5w30. Currently have 1 Qt GC and 3 Qts of M1 0w20 in my xw20 recommended '03 Civic. Will have to go with either 1 Qt Amsoil 5w30 or 1 Qt M1 Racing 0w30 mixed with my 0w20 next OCI in the Civic. Can no longer find GC in my area. Based on my two vehicles that seem to be easy on oil, I can see 20k or even 25k OCI. Good luck!
I used Amsoil S2K in my wife's Chrysler T&C minivan. Just posted a 14.7k UOA on the UOA forum. So I know it handled 15k just fine. Will run this fresh oil change to 20k on the Chry T&C. I really doubt that it could handle 35k, as you indicate. I do believe, under the right conditions, equipment, by-pass oil filtration conditions, and an owner who could accept a mediocre, at best, UOA after it all...it could be possible. o.k. I know that probably eliminates about 98% of us. I prefer GC 0w30 and Amsoil 5w30. Currently have 1 Qt GC and 3 Qts of M1 0w20 in my xw20 recommended '03 Civic. Will have to go with either 1 Qt Amsoil 5w30 or 1 Qt M1 Racing 0w30 mixed with my 0w20 next OCI in the Civic. Can no longer find GC in my area. Based on my two vehicles that seem to be easy on oil, I can see 20k or even 25k OCI. Good luck!
I wouldn't drive any synthetic oil 35k miles and would agree under certain extreme conditions it can go to that limit. But the average driver(35K per yearly) doesn't fit that bill.
Amsoil is made for extended OCI. The S2K 0w30 gives very good MPG which will pay itself over time. It's a good oil as I've used it. I've driven for 12K(yearly) and it did pay for itself as of better gas mileage. Is it over priced?? It depends how you look at it. It gives very good wear control and that is the bottom line in protecting your engine. It did tend to thicken a bit but never was problem for me.
It's a good oil with very good wear control and that is the bottom line. As far as over priced, if MPG over 12K is increased it pays for itself. That would make it a good synthetic oil and not being over priced.
Amsoil is made for extended OCI. The S2K 0w30 gives very good MPG which will pay itself over time. It's a good oil as I've used it. I've driven for 12K(yearly) and it did pay for itself as of better gas mileage. Is it over priced?? It depends how you look at it. It gives very good wear control and that is the bottom line in protecting your engine. It did tend to thicken a bit but never was problem for me.
It's a good oil with very good wear control and that is the bottom line. As far as over priced, if MPG over 12K is increased it pays for itself. That would make it a good synthetic oil and not being over priced.
Only problem is this oil or any oil that thicken will loose it's fuel efficiency ability. The 3MP study showed that. If any oil would maintain that over a long drain I'd have to say Redline would only because it is so shear stable and friction modified. But TBN might not be good and the wear metals as we see with RL often.
An oil which thickens in use is hardly one which is likely to provide long term fuel economy improvements, especially when used for extended drains.
Amsoil's fuel economy improvement claims are also always of the "up to" variety. These are weasel words and make the claim pure nonsense.
John
In any given situation a synthetic oil will thicken during its duration which will decrease in MPG. Even when viscosity was increased Amsoil S2K 0w30 was about or close to the Amsoil 5w30 in MPG. I will agree that Mobil 1 tends to thin out or stay in it's viscosity during extended OCI. The Amsoil S2K 0w30 gives better MPG than Mobil 1 or the lower cost Amsoil synthetic products.
Mobil 1 in my opinion is a very good 7500 mile OCI considering cost per say. It's a good synthetic oil, it's just one's opinion in how they view synthetic oil application.
I can't see anyone going wrong in using synthetic oil. For the average Joe in viewing price and performance...Mobil 1 is a very good application.
Mobil 1 in my opinion is a very good 7500 mile OCI considering cost per say. It's a good synthetic oil, it's just one's opinion in how they view synthetic oil application.
I can't see anyone going wrong in using synthetic oil. For the average Joe in viewing price and performance...Mobil 1 is a very good application.
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