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Is the AMSOIL ATF compatable with regular transmission fluids?
Is the AMSOIL ATF compatable with regular transmission fluids?
Amsoil ATF
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Yes. From the Amsoil site: AMSOIL Synthetic Universal Automatic Transmission Fluid is completely compatible with other synthetic and petroleum automatic transmission fluids.
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It's amazing, it's a 'shape shift' fluid! I can't understand why, when there are so few ATF additive formulators in the world (who apparantly, according to your view, waste millions of dollars a year developing 'state of the art' products) that they just can't get their act together and use this stuff (whatever it is because no-one actually knows since there is apparently no formulation or test data that's going to be revealed. I would have thought that this sort of 'advanced technology' would be subject to some form of government secrecy agreement!!!
Lets see, every GM vehicle I have owned since my 1979 Chevy van has had Amsoil ATF in it. Currently have it in 3 vehicles, 93 Lumina, 2004 GMC 4x4 and 2005 Cadillac CTS. Use it with confidence, it has never let me down in 27 yrs.
"shape shift" and "Magic Molecules" are phrases not found on the Amsoil site. You must be confusing with another company. Sounds like Pennzoil's "Adaptive Molecules".
Amsoil ATF is recommended to meet many applications, some which on the surface may appear to be contradictory. Perhaps this will answer you question? https://www.amsoil.com/dealer/askamsoil/autoapps/atf.aspx .
Amsoil ATF is recommended to meet many applications, some which on the surface may appear to be contradictory. Perhaps this will answer you question? https://www.amsoil.com/dealer/askamsoil/autoapps/atf.aspx .
Here is some test data for you:
THOT 900+ hours
TYPICAL TECHNICAL PROPERTIES
Revised as of 3/07
AMSOIL Synthetic Universal Automatic Transmission Fluid ATF)
Kinematic Viscosity @ 100°C, cSt (ASTM D-445)6.8
Kinematic Viscosity @ 40°C, cSt (ASTM D-445)33.5
Viscosity Index (ASTM D-2270)168
Noack Volatility, % weight loss (ASTM D-5800)10.2
Flash Point °C (°F) (ASTM D-92) 222 (432)
Pour Point °C (°F) (ASTM D-97)-53 (-63)
Four Ball Wear Test, Scar in mm; 40 kg, 75°C, 1200 rpm, 1 hr (ASTM D-4172B)0.40
Brookfield Viscosity (cP)-20°C = 1298
Brookfield Viscosity (cP)-40°C = 9326
THOT 900+ hours
TYPICAL TECHNICAL PROPERTIES
Revised as of 3/07
AMSOIL Synthetic Universal Automatic Transmission Fluid ATF)
Kinematic Viscosity @ 100°C, cSt (ASTM D-445)6.8
Kinematic Viscosity @ 40°C, cSt (ASTM D-445)33.5
Viscosity Index (ASTM D-2270)168
Noack Volatility, % weight loss (ASTM D-5800)10.2
Flash Point °C (°F) (ASTM D-92) 222 (432)
Pour Point °C (°F) (ASTM D-97)-53 (-63)
Four Ball Wear Test, Scar in mm; 40 kg, 75°C, 1200 rpm, 1 hr (ASTM D-4172B)0.40
Brookfield Viscosity (cP)-20°C = 1298
Brookfield Viscosity (cP)-40°C = 9326
Here is some more test data:
Freezing/Melting point...........-63°F(-53°C)
Specific Gravity (Water=1).......0.8458
Density, lb./gal.................7.042
Volatility (Volume).............Negligible
Freezing/Melting point...........-63°F(-53°C)
Specific Gravity (Water=1).......0.8458
Density, lb./gal.................7.042
Volatility (Volume).............Negligible
So, I say again, where are your approvals? and what are your license numbers against Ford/Chrysler/GM etc.? I have said this many times, and I'll say it again, claims are easy to make but perhaps difficult to prove. Maybe that's the problem!
Amsoil doesn't feel the need to pay for rubber stamp approvals. Nobody has disproved their recommended applications. They have a warranty for parts and labor should their products ever fail. They have been making synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid longer than anyone else.
Thank you for the information. However, this still does not show any of us that they even come close to meeting the specs (certainly doesn't meet DEXRON-VI) never mind 'exceeding' them. If their products are that good why don't they just put up or shut up? 900 hours for the THOT doesn't actually mean a thing. What did the oil look like at 900 hours? How did it compare with GM's pass/fail limits? See what I mean, just numbers, not facts.
Amsoil Universal ATF doesn't have to meet all other manufacturers specs. The link above tells why they don't feel they need to meet the DEXRON spec. Amsoil recommends their ATF as a replacement for those specs. As long as customers purchase their ATF as a replacement for DEXRON VI, are very pleased with noticed improvements over DEXRON VI, and warranty it as a replacement for DEXRON VI and does not void the manufacturers warranty, they don't care.
AMSOIL sells all the ATF they can make, no warranty issues, and the customers are happy. Look at all the glowing recommendations here at BITOG? Why should they pay the manufacturer to certify them?
Dexron III only lasted 450 hours in the THOT test. Ask GM how long their certified oils lasted.
AMSOIL sells all the ATF they can make, no warranty issues, and the customers are happy. Look at all the glowing recommendations here at BITOG? Why should they pay the manufacturer to certify them?
Dexron III only lasted 450 hours in the THOT test. Ask GM how long their certified oils lasted.
First of all, tell me what it costs for a company to certify an ATF against either and/or GM, Chrysler & Ford specifications? Secondly, tell me the length of tests specified in the DEXRON III specification and what limits were applied AND how the Amsoil product stacked up against the new DEXRON VI specifications when run to the new requirements.
It's a better than fluid - there is NOTHING wrong with any lube manufacturer improving on a "meets" OEM fluid. If you don't like it, don't use it. I know it seems to bug you that Amsoil won't kowtow to GM - and I highly doubt they ever will. Same arguments came from the Honda guys. They have been basically quieted with usage in the application. (In some borderline transmissions, I might add).
I don't know how much it costs. I don't care. Probably more money than you and I have. Amsoil Universal ATF is recommended for around 38 ATF specifications and warranted for parts and labor should it ever fail. I guess Amsoil would rather put their money into the ATF quality and performance than certifications. None of the mentioned manufacturers say it has to be certified, so why should AMSOIL certify? It doesn't seem to make any business sense to me. I just know my customers and BITOG'ers like it better than the certified ATF's they've tried. And so does Amsoil.
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