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Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: The_Eric
I'm sure that there is no truth to this, but I'm going to ask anyway - I was talking to a fellow the other day and the conversation drifted towards ammo and the current lack of supply. He told me that he heard from the NRA (always trustworthy, I know) that there was a new mandate coming that stated that gun powder was to have a one year shelf life. It sounds like a load garbage and the NRA could well have said this as they do resort to fear mongering to push their agenda, but I'd like to know, is there is even a shred of truth to it?


Not a shred of truth and your attack on the NRA is offensive and untrue as well. I am the NRA. I've been a member since 1980 and now a life member.


I suppose I could have done without the comment about the NRA, but there is truth to it. They do resort to fear mongering. If they didn't, I wouldn't have gotten an unsolicited phone call from them saying "Eric, the Dems are trying to take our guns away" and that it's important I join. They're no different than any other big dollar special interest lobby in that respect. That being said, I do believe they're a necessary evil. Without them and the various state level gun advocate groups, we likely wouldn't be where we are today.

It should also be known that I was an member too, even before I owned any guns. I have let my membership lapse, but do plan to join again, because, like I said, they are necessary and need both financial backing and members to show they have physical backing. However they can wave all the guns, the U.S. flag and constitution in my face all they want, but I'll never be so blind that I can't see them for what they are - A big dollar lobby that will do anything to swell their coffers and their membership.
 
Originally Posted By: The_Eric
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: The_Eric
I'm sure that there is no truth to this, but I'm going to ask anyway - I was talking to a fellow the other day and the conversation drifted towards ammo and the current lack of supply. He told me that he heard from the NRA (always trustworthy, I know) that there was a new mandate coming that stated that gun powder was to have a one year shelf life. It sounds like a load garbage and the NRA could well have said this as they do resort to fear mongering to push their agenda, but I'd like to know, is there is even a shred of truth to it?
The plan the grabbes have actually considered would be to to contrive PRIMERS which have a specific lifespan, thus even the hand loaders would be unable to circumvent

Not a shred of truth and your attack on the NRA is offensive and untrue as well. I am the NRA. I've been a member since 1980 and now a life member.


I suppose I could have done without the comment about the NRA, but there is truth to it. They do resort to fear mongering. If they didn't, I wouldn't have gotten an unsolicited phone call from them saying "Eric, the Dems are trying to take our guns away" and that it's important I join. They're no different than any other big dollar special interest lobby in that respect. That being said, I do believe they're a necessary evil. Without them and the various state level gun advocate groups, we likely wouldn't be where we are today.

It should also be known that I was an member too, even before I owned any guns. I have let my membership lapse, but do plan to join again, because, like I said, they are necessary and need both financial backing and members to show they have physical backing. However they can wave all the guns, the U.S. flag and constitution in my face all they want, but I'll never be so blind that I can't see them for what they are - A big dollar lobby that will do anything to swell their coffers and their membership.
And political parties DON'T??
 
The plan which is under active consideration is to produce for public sale PRIMERS with a specific lifespan, thus even the handloaders could be brought to heel by the nanny state. Making a reliable primer yourself is not easy.
 
Originally Posted By: Gabe
Originally Posted By: Lakersguy
Think the government isn't manipulating it? Think again, my friend..


Originally Posted By: mrplavick
Agreed, and IMO these large orders by govt. agencies are a calculated strategy to induce shortages and price inflation for citizens.

I stocked up on .22 for plinking and .40 for home defense before Christmas and now neither have been available at Wal-Mart or Cabelas for weeks. Scary


par·a·noi·a

Suspicion and mistrust of people or their actions without evidence or justification.




Are you kidding me?? This is a fact bud, look it up.
 
Hmmmm.

Assertions that a particular political party wants to take guns away looks to be an accurate statement of fact.

Personally, I wouldn't call it fear mongering.
 
Originally Posted By: Gabe
Originally Posted By: Lakersguy
Think the government isn't manipulating it? Think again, my friend..


Originally Posted By: mrplavick
Agreed, and IMO these large orders by govt. agencies are a calculated strategy to induce shortages and price inflation for citizens.

I stocked up on .22 for plinking and .40 for home defense before Christmas and now neither have been available at Wal-Mart or Cabelas for weeks. Scary


par·a·noi·a

Suspicion and mistrust of people or their actions without evidence or justification.



Originally Posted By: lexus114

Are you kidding me?? This is a fact bud, look it up.

Current example: A certain agency that clams that they had to release several thousand prisoners due to future budget cuts has just posted a large order with Sig Sauer OEM Firearms for weapons parts, $900,000/yr
( Solicitation Number: HSCEMS-13-R-00006 fbo.gov, more details about ammunition/gun purchases on the sig forum )
 
Originally Posted By: carwreck
Originally Posted By: Gabe
Originally Posted By: Lakersguy
Think the government isn't manipulating it? Think again, my friend..


Originally Posted By: mrplavick
Agreed, and IMO these large orders by govt. agencies are a calculated strategy to induce shortages and price inflation for citizens.

I stocked up on .22 for plinking and .40 for home defense before Christmas and now neither have been available at Wal-Mart or Cabelas for weeks. Scary


par·a·noi·a

Suspicion and mistrust of people or their actions without evidence or justification.



Originally Posted By: lexus114

Are you kidding me?? This is a fact bud, look it up.

Current example: A certain agency that clams that they had to release several thousand prisoners due to future budget cuts has just posted a large order with Sig Sauer OEM Firearms for weapons parts, $900,000/yr
( Solicitation Number: HSCEMS-13-R-00006 fbo.gov, more details about ammunition/gun purchases on the sig forum )


I am not seeing it. A federal agency placing a $900K order to Sig does not seem out of place. Besides, that is only a million dollars - a fraction of 1% of Sig's total sales. That is hardly going to set the sporting goods market.

Since last November, I have been trying to order an M11. The price quoted to me in November was $935; the price quoted to me late February was $950. Two weeks ago, I bought an MK25 with a Saturday build date for a MAP of $999. Sig seems to be doing an amazing job of keeping prices down and supply high.

Lets be honest here: if this is some secret government plot to disarm civilians, then it is the worst thought-out plot ever. Gun sales are setting historic records; CCW permits are up; the average sportsman is now seeing the need to keep a modest supply to outlast potential shortages. RRA is no longer accepting orders for 2013. Do you REALLY believe that there is a government conspiracy controlling supply/demand/prices?? When you are walking around a gun show and see .22 ammo selling for $80, is that a secret government agent behind the booth or a guy trying to take advantage of a situation?? Be honest.
 
Read some of these articles....

DHS 2 billion rounds of ammo - Google Search

Hollow point and sniper rifle rounds are just the starters, while hollow points are not typically used for target practice. Sure, it may be per year... but as one article states, during the PEAK of the Iraq war, this much ammo would last DHS over 27 years. But DHS isn't at war with the homeland... or are they???

Just be honest, yourself, that civilians aren't the only ones who feel the anxiety of civil unrest in the near future.
 
And here's the clincher....

http://www.infowars.com/dhs-to-lease-10-million-firearms-facility/

DHS will now lease a "firearms facility" and could very well be able to create all the ammo it wants without the need to advertise it as transparently as they've been required to over the past year. The lease is from 1 year, with options to re-lease for an additional 2.5 years.

Someone earlier commented that the gov't is doing a terrible job at hiding their intentions. Well, now let's look at the new plan, since Pablo is doing a commendable job at convincing others that these hollow point rounds are strictly for target practice...

(1) Publish one price of leasing firearm facility.
(2) Stop reporting new firearm and ammo purchases for next 3.5 years.
(3) Profit??

Pretty soon, it looks like gov't contracts won't be affecting civilian purchases AT ALL. Good call, guys.
 
Ideally you would shoot what you carry. That's pretty expensive for us normal folks, but easy enough when the trough keeps being filled with public money.

What I want to know is what trouble the gov't is expecting that they would need all these things. I don't expect any outside force invasion or any civilian uprisings in the near future. What are they planning, those Democrat-led institutions?

Maybe they know that their policies would create a weak America and we MAY be invaded.

Personally, I think we are seeing the normal activity of the Democrat party when left to their own devices and having the keys to the candy shop. They're going to attempt to put into place their long-time and complete agenda, they know it isn't going to be popular, and they'll need a military-equivalent police force to make it stick. What else could it be? You tell me, what else could it be?
 
So, I tried to place an order with MidwayUSA.

I wasn't surprised when it kicked back my order, because I'm from Illinois. It directed me to a page (www.midwayusa.com/foid) for details on what I need to do next.

One of the options given on that page is to go to their Customer Service page, and submit a .jpg image of my FOID card.

OK, easy enough.

I go to the Customer Service page, and click on the link that they provide to contact Customer Service, and get a new window that won't accept attachments.

Good job. What a bunch of idiots. It's good to know that they have such a good grasp on technology and how it works.

I guess I'll make a charcoal rubbing of my card and sent it to them via carrier pigeon. Apparently they'll be able to handle it that way.
 
Originally Posted By: grndslm
And here's the clincher....

http://www.infowars.com/dhs-to-lease-10-million-firearms-facility/

DHS will now lease a "firearms facility" and could very well be able to create all the ammo it wants without the need to advertise it as transparently as they've been required to over the past year. The lease is from 1 year, with options to re-lease for an additional 2.5 years.

Someone earlier commented that the gov't is doing a terrible job at hiding their intentions. Well, now let's look at the new plan, since Pablo is doing a commendable job at convincing others that these hollow point rounds are strictly for target practice...

(1) Publish one price of leasing firearm facility.
(2) Stop reporting new firearm and ammo purchases for next 3.5 years.
(3) Profit??

Pretty soon, it looks like gov't contracts won't be affecting civilian purchases AT ALL. Good call, guys.
HP ammo for target practice, that's a HOOT.
 
Originally Posted By: Gabe
Originally Posted By: carwreck
Originally Posted By: Gabe
Originally Posted By: Lakersguy
Think the government isn't manipulating it? Think again, my friend..


Originally Posted By: mrplavick
Agreed, and IMO these large orders by govt. agencies are a calculated strategy to induce shortages and price inflation for citizens.

I stocked up on .22 for plinking and .40 for home defense before Christmas and now neither have been available at Wal-Mart or Cabelas for weeks. Scary


par·a·noi·a

Suspicion and mistrust of people or their actions without evidence or justification.



Originally Posted By: lexus114

Are you kidding me?? This is a fact bud, look it up.

Current example: A certain agency that clams that they had to release several thousand prisoners due to future budget cuts has just posted a large order with Sig Sauer OEM Firearms for weapons parts, $900,000/yr
( Solicitation Number: HSCEMS-13-R-00006 fbo.gov, more details about ammunition/gun purchases on the sig forum )


I am not seeing it. A federal agency placing a $900K order to Sig does not seem out of place. Besides, that is only a million dollars - a fraction of 1% of Sig's total sales. That is hardly going to set the sporting goods market.

Since last November, I have been trying to order an M11. The price quoted to me in November was $935; the price quoted to me late February was $950. Two weeks ago, I bought an MK25 with a Saturday build date for a MAP of $999. Sig seems to be doing an amazing job of keeping prices down and supply high.

Lets be honest here: if this is some secret government plot to disarm civilians, then it is the worst thought-out plot ever. Gun sales are setting historic records; CCW permits are up; the average sportsman is now seeing the need to keep a modest supply to outlast potential shortages. RRA is no longer accepting orders for 2013. Do you REALLY believe that there is a government conspiracy controlling supply/demand/prices?? When you are walking around a gun show and see .22 ammo selling for $80, is that a secret government agent behind the booth or a guy trying to take advantage of a situation?? Be honest.
We're not suggesting that the leftys are going to be SMART about it.
 
Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
So, I tried to place an order with MidwayUSA.

I wasn't surprised when it kicked back my order, because I'm from Illinois. It directed me to a page (www.midwayusa.com/foid) for details on what I need to do next.

One of the options given on that page is to go to their Customer Service page, and submit a .jpg image of my FOID card.

OK, easy enough.

I go to the Customer Service page, and click on the link that they provide to contact Customer Service, and get a new window that won't accept attachments.

Good job. What a bunch of idiots. It's good to know that they have such a good grasp on technology and how it works.

I guess I'll make a charcoal rubbing of my card and sent it to them via carrier pigeon. Apparently they'll be able to handle it that way.



Honestly, I dont know how they get away with trampling on the second amendment like they do. I suppose it is because their is no uproar over it. People need to wake up in this country mighty fast.
 
Originally Posted By: grndslm
Read some of these articles....

DHS 2 billion rounds of ammo - Google Search

Hollow point and sniper rifle rounds are just the starters, while hollow points are not typically used for target practice. Sure, it may be per year... but as one article states, during the PEAK of the Iraq war, this much ammo would last DHS over 27 years. But DHS isn't at war with the homeland... or are they???

Just be honest, yourself, that civilians aren't the only ones who feel the anxiety of civil unrest in the near future.

There is nothing there about manufacturing ammunition. And Alex Jones isn't exactly the most credible of sources.
 
Midway has been great - everything I've ever ordered (25+ orders) has arrived on time. They aren't gouging on price right now. Call them, I did, you may be pleasantly surprised...
 
I hope all of the rumors aren't true but I can't deny the intruding thought that when it all calms down we could be paying more for our ammo.

I don't think anything over a nickel a round for .22LR is reasonable, imo. But then again I paid 0.10 a round for some hollow points about 2 weeks ago so there you go.
 
Originally Posted By: zerosoma
I hope all of the rumors aren't true but I can't deny the intruding thought that when it all calms down we could be paying more for our ammo.

I don't think anything over a nickel a round for .22LR is reasonable, imo. But then again I paid 0.10 a round for some hollow points about 2 weeks ago so there you go.


Personally, I don't think there are any coulds about it.
 
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