Wonder how we wiped out small pox?
Or polio?
Or polio?
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Originally Posted By: jcwit
Wonder how we wiped out small pox?
Or polio?
You keep circling back there....Hygiene and nutrition were doing a pretty good job on all fronts there for a while..y...exposure to a pathogen doesn't not automatically place you in an iron lung.
Mothers dying through doctors moving from an autopsy to the delivery room were all but eradicated that way.
Polio is still present in the US...just most (of the tiny number of cases) are vaccine derived, and therefore "don't count".
I'm not telling anyone how to live their life, but I'm not belittling you (or anyone else in the thread) or calling people stupid because you have an unquestioning outlook.
Wonder how we wiped out small pox?
Or polio?
You keep circling back there....Hygiene and nutrition were doing a pretty good job on all fronts there for a while..y...exposure to a pathogen doesn't not automatically place you in an iron lung.
Mothers dying through doctors moving from an autopsy to the delivery room were all but eradicated that way.
Polio is still present in the US...just most (of the tiny number of cases) are vaccine derived, and therefore "don't count".
I'm not telling anyone how to live their life, but I'm not belittling you (or anyone else in the thread) or calling people stupid because you have an unquestioning outlook.
Yeah, you can't compare Haitians that live in a very filthy environment to Americans that have running water, electricity and sanitary sewer systems.
Originally Posted By: hatt
Hey you vaccine at all costs guys. Apparently, from reading one of the Sheen articles, if you take anti AIDS meds it will prevent you from contracting AIDS. Talk to your doctor to see if AIDS meds are right for you.
That's not a vaccine, though. There are medicines that can be taken to help prevent someone from catching it, along with prevent someone from transmitting - and there are also very strong antibiotics that can be taken after someone is exposed to it to help kill the virus before it gets too strong inside one's body.
Hey you vaccine at all costs guys. Apparently, from reading one of the Sheen articles, if you take anti AIDS meds it will prevent you from contracting AIDS. Talk to your doctor to see if AIDS meds are right for you.
That's not a vaccine, though. There are medicines that can be taken to help prevent someone from catching it, along with prevent someone from transmitting - and there are also very strong antibiotics that can be taken after someone is exposed to it to help kill the virus before it gets too strong inside one's body.
Just like all viruses are not the same, not all cancers are the same. Some are curable.
For example, testicular cancer is a CURABLE cancer if you catch it early enough.
The treatment protocol is well established and been around for years. I'm a 21 year survivor, FWIW.
It's also how I knew Lance was cheating. It does reduce you aerobic capacity. But I have a post-cancer child, so it didn't wipe out the remaining essential equipment.
However, FWIW, I did not get 50% off my vasectomy, LOL.
The treatment was 9 weeks of chemo in three week rounds. Week 1, impatient, drugs M-F. Weeks 2 and 3, one of the three drugs during that week. Repeat that cycle two more times.
I did 18 weeks of that in 1994. Had the cancerous testical removed in January, followd by the first 9 week regime. Returned in August to have 30 lymph nodes removed because one was a big too big. Turned out to have a small mass of cancer in it. So 9 more weeks of chemo.
Lost all my hair, couldn't stand to eat after Wednesday of my in patient treatments. Lived on starlight mints and cola as I really couldn't stand the smell or taste of most foods.
By the following Wednesday, I could eat again. I'd eat really spicy foods so I could taste them over the metallic taste left in my mouth from the Cisplatin which is what necessitated the inpatient status of my chemo.
The bleomycin and VP16 didn't help either. In fact, the VP16 probably added to the metallic taste in my mouth, as well as hair loss, etc.
But it beats dying from it.
As most patients, I've had some aerobic capacity loss due to the bleomycin. I have to remind anesthesiologists I've had this drug as I am more susceptible to oxygen toxicity.
I just try to not think about it for the most part. I just exercise, try to eat right without really denying my self anything and live.
What else can you do?
For example, testicular cancer is a CURABLE cancer if you catch it early enough.
The treatment protocol is well established and been around for years. I'm a 21 year survivor, FWIW.
It's also how I knew Lance was cheating. It does reduce you aerobic capacity. But I have a post-cancer child, so it didn't wipe out the remaining essential equipment.
However, FWIW, I did not get 50% off my vasectomy, LOL.
The treatment was 9 weeks of chemo in three week rounds. Week 1, impatient, drugs M-F. Weeks 2 and 3, one of the three drugs during that week. Repeat that cycle two more times.
I did 18 weeks of that in 1994. Had the cancerous testical removed in January, followd by the first 9 week regime. Returned in August to have 30 lymph nodes removed because one was a big too big. Turned out to have a small mass of cancer in it. So 9 more weeks of chemo.
Lost all my hair, couldn't stand to eat after Wednesday of my in patient treatments. Lived on starlight mints and cola as I really couldn't stand the smell or taste of most foods.
By the following Wednesday, I could eat again. I'd eat really spicy foods so I could taste them over the metallic taste left in my mouth from the Cisplatin which is what necessitated the inpatient status of my chemo.
The bleomycin and VP16 didn't help either. In fact, the VP16 probably added to the metallic taste in my mouth, as well as hair loss, etc.
But it beats dying from it.
As most patients, I've had some aerobic capacity loss due to the bleomycin. I have to remind anesthesiologists I've had this drug as I am more susceptible to oxygen toxicity.
I just try to not think about it for the most part. I just exercise, try to eat right without really denying my self anything and live.
What else can you do?
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Originally Posted By: itguy08
When your number is up it's up. Be it the flu, a bacterial infection, a car crash or just a plain old heart attack.
I'd rather let my body's natural defenses do their job and fight disease off. Makes me more resistant and less likely to continue to get sick.
Like I said, I'm not in a high risk group so I'm not worried about the flu. Survival of the fittest....
If you truly believe that go out in the middle of the expressway and play volley ball. Lets see how your number holds up.
I'm not dumb. But I'm also not going to worry about something so minuscule as dying of the flu at my age.
Originally Posted By: itguy08
When your number is up it's up. Be it the flu, a bacterial infection, a car crash or just a plain old heart attack.
I'd rather let my body's natural defenses do their job and fight disease off. Makes me more resistant and less likely to continue to get sick.
Like I said, I'm not in a high risk group so I'm not worried about the flu. Survival of the fittest....
If you truly believe that go out in the middle of the expressway and play volley ball. Lets see how your number holds up.
I'm not dumb. But I'm also not going to worry about something so minuscule as dying of the flu at my age.
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Polio is still present in the US...just most (of the tiny number of cases) are vaccine derived, and therefore "don't count".
I'm not telling anyone how to live their life, but I'm not belittling you (or anyone else in the thread) or calling people stupid because you have an unquestioning outlook.
Last case of polio here in the U.S. was in 1999, see quote.
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The last cases of naturally occurring paralytic polio in the United States were in 1979, when an outbreak occurred among the Amish in several Midwestern states. From 1980 through 1999, there were 162 confirmed cases of paralytic polio cases reported.Aug 11, 2014
Vaccines: VPD-VAC/Polio/Disease FAQs
www.cdc.gov/.../polio/dis-faqs.h...
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
Now with that said, please point out where I called anyone stupid? However that may well be the case!
Polio is still present in the US...just most (of the tiny number of cases) are vaccine derived, and therefore "don't count".
I'm not telling anyone how to live their life, but I'm not belittling you (or anyone else in the thread) or calling people stupid because you have an unquestioning outlook.
Last case of polio here in the U.S. was in 1999, see quote.
Quote:
The last cases of naturally occurring paralytic polio in the United States were in 1979, when an outbreak occurred among the Amish in several Midwestern states. From 1980 through 1999, there were 162 confirmed cases of paralytic polio cases reported.Aug 11, 2014
Vaccines: VPD-VAC/Polio/Disease FAQs
www.cdc.gov/.../polio/dis-faqs.h...
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
Now with that said, please point out where I called anyone stupid? However that may well be the case!
Originally Posted By: itguy08
I'm not dumb. But I'm also not going to worry about something so minuscule as dying of the flu at my age.
That's what my friend and his wife thought too. He died, she buried him.
I'm not dumb. But I'm also not going to worry about something so minuscule as dying of the flu at my age.
That's what my friend and his wife thought too. He died, she buried him.
Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
To those who support "survival of the fittest", let's see you back that idiocy up when someone you love is sick or injured and requires medical care. Stop talking like you're ready to take someone out back to the woodshed and put them down like Old Yeller. If you had to watch someone you love suffering or sying, you would sell your soul to save them. Your existence is probably owed to one of those despicable procedures that saves human life every year.
Has nothing to do with that and you know it. If someone doesn't want medical care for whatever who am I to say "you must get it"? That's their choice.
And yes I have watched 3 people suffer and die right before my eyes. So you can spare the lecture about what I should or should not feel and what I should or should not do.
To those who support "survival of the fittest", let's see you back that idiocy up when someone you love is sick or injured and requires medical care. Stop talking like you're ready to take someone out back to the woodshed and put them down like Old Yeller. If you had to watch someone you love suffering or sying, you would sell your soul to save them. Your existence is probably owed to one of those despicable procedures that saves human life every year.
Has nothing to do with that and you know it. If someone doesn't want medical care for whatever who am I to say "you must get it"? That's their choice.
And yes I have watched 3 people suffer and die right before my eyes. So you can spare the lecture about what I should or should not feel and what I should or should not do.
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Originally Posted By: jcwit
Originally Posted By: itguy08
I'm not dumb. But I'm also not going to worry about something so minuscule as dying of the flu at my age.
That's what my friend and his wife thought too. He died, she buried him.
Then my wife will be rich and I'll be catching up with friends and family. I could also get hit by the beer truck on the way to/from work. That doesn't stop me from driving there every day.
Originally Posted By: itguy08
I'm not dumb. But I'm also not going to worry about something so minuscule as dying of the flu at my age.
That's what my friend and his wife thought too. He died, she buried him.
Then my wife will be rich and I'll be catching up with friends and family. I could also get hit by the beer truck on the way to/from work. That doesn't stop me from driving there every day.
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Originally Posted By: jcwit
Originally Posted By: itguy08
I'm not dumb. But I'm also not going to worry about something so minuscule as dying of the flu at my age.
That's what my friend and his wife thought too. He died, she buried him.
Are you one of the people who don't' let their kids go outside because they'll surely be abducted by a stranger? Even though the numbers show they have a better chance of dying of a heart attack.
Originally Posted By: itguy08
I'm not dumb. But I'm also not going to worry about something so minuscule as dying of the flu at my age.
That's what my friend and his wife thought too. He died, she buried him.
Are you one of the people who don't' let their kids go outside because they'll surely be abducted by a stranger? Even though the numbers show they have a better chance of dying of a heart attack.
Originally Posted By: hatt
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Originally Posted By: itguy08
I'm not dumb. But I'm also not going to worry about something so minuscule as dying of the flu at my age.
That's what my friend and his wife thought too. He died, she buried him.
Are you one of the people who don't' let their kids go outside because they'll surely be abducted by a stranger? Even though the numbers show they have a better chance of dying of a heart attack.
Ya, I am, even tho my kids are both in their 40's, and my grandkids are in their 20's, and I have no great grandkids yet.
LOL, LOL
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Originally Posted By: itguy08
I'm not dumb. But I'm also not going to worry about something so minuscule as dying of the flu at my age.
That's what my friend and his wife thought too. He died, she buried him.
Are you one of the people who don't' let their kids go outside because they'll surely be abducted by a stranger? Even though the numbers show they have a better chance of dying of a heart attack.
Ya, I am, even tho my kids are both in their 40's, and my grandkids are in their 20's, and I have no great grandkids yet.
LOL, LOL
Originally Posted By: itguy08
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Originally Posted By: itguy08
I'm not dumb. But I'm also not going to worry about something so minuscule as dying of the flu at my age.
That's what my friend and his wife thought too. He died, she buried him.
Then my wife will be rich and I'll be catching up with friends and family. I could also get hit by the beer truck on the way to/from work. That doesn't stop me from driving there every day.
But I bet you don't aim for the beer truck either!
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Originally Posted By: itguy08
I'm not dumb. But I'm also not going to worry about something so minuscule as dying of the flu at my age.
That's what my friend and his wife thought too. He died, she buried him.
Then my wife will be rich and I'll be catching up with friends and family. I could also get hit by the beer truck on the way to/from work. That doesn't stop me from driving there every day.
But I bet you don't aim for the beer truck either!
I asked 3 doctors if the flu shot was necessary, all 3 said No.
Originally Posted By: itguy08
Has nothing to do with that and you know it. If someone doesn't want medical care for whatever who am I to say "you must get it"? That's their choice.
And yes I have watched 3 people suffer and die right before my eyes. So you can spare the lecture about what I should or should not feel and what I should or should not do.
I think you meant to reply to someone else, because nothing you just said has anything to do with what I said.
Has nothing to do with that and you know it. If someone doesn't want medical care for whatever who am I to say "you must get it"? That's their choice.
And yes I have watched 3 people suffer and die right before my eyes. So you can spare the lecture about what I should or should not feel and what I should or should not do.
I think you meant to reply to someone else, because nothing you just said has anything to do with what I said.
Originally Posted By: itguy08
Originally Posted By: jcwit
But I bet you don't aim for the beer truck either!
I wouldn't in a million years equate declining a Flu shot with aiming for the beer truck. It's not even remotely close!
You're the one who brought up the comparsion.
Originally Posted By: jcwit
But I bet you don't aim for the beer truck either!
I wouldn't in a million years equate declining a Flu shot with aiming for the beer truck. It's not even remotely close!
You're the one who brought up the comparsion.
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