America's New Normal: Chronically Ill Kids.

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Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle

Actually, no...there is a very long list of medical conditions that, if I have them, will result in me eating my shotgun, more than likely that same day. I am seriously considering having "DNR" tattooed on my chest.


Because you want to keep yourself from "contaminating" the human race with your weakness, or some other reason?
 
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Because the treatment is sometimes worse than the disease. (Cancer tops the list, with ALS a close second.)


Understood. My only point was that those who claim they'd make human sacrifices in the name of genetic superiority were full of it.
 
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Because the treatment is sometimes worse than the disease. (Cancer tops the list, with ALS a close second.)


I'd question that as I'm a cancer survivor. Are you? You can speak from personal experience?
 
Originally Posted By: rsylvstr
Organic food causes autism?

No, cell phones do. Or insert any other thing that became popular over the last 20 years and insert it into the graph.
 
Originally Posted By: rsylvstr
Organic food causes autism?

No. They just coorelate. It could also be Nickleback or Windows 95.
 
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Because the treatment is sometimes worse than the disease. (Cancer tops the list, with ALS a close second.)


I'd question that as I'm a cancer survivor. Are you? You can speak from personal experience?


I watched two relatives go through cancer treatment. One stopped after one treatment and said she would rather be burned alive than go through a second. The other went through the whole thing, and died in agony after spending his last year as an invalid, and his last month of life begging people to kill him. Not worth it.
 
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Because the treatment is sometimes worse than the disease. (Cancer tops the list, with ALS a close second.)


I'd question that as I'm a cancer survivor. Are you? You can speak from personal experience?


I watched two relatives go through cancer treatment. One stopped after one treatment and said she would rather be burned alive than go through a second. The other went through the whole thing, and died in agony after spending his last year as an invalid, and his last month of life begging people to kill him. Not worth it.
Jcwit is doing the same thing with cancer as he's doing with vacs. Lumping them all into the same category. To him if you're not getting a vac for the flu you want to get polio and measles. If you catch cancer early when it's more easily treated or have a very treatable form, you get the treatment. When it's metastasized throughout your entire body and your odds are comparable to lottery tickets treatment might not make as much sense. Also if you're 85 years old that's different than if you're 40.
 
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If I didn't have antidepressant medicines, I would either be in jail or dead. Therapy and all that other stuff didn't work for me. Other members of my family have to take similar medicines.

I often wonder how many more people would be stuck in mental hospitals if these medicines weren't invented.

My dad had a different view. He said that if these kinds of medicines weren't invented, more people would smoke 2 packs a day and drink several shots of whiskey every night. Also, the people using hardcore street drugs would probably be higher as well.
 
Originally Posted By: hatt
Jcwit is doing the same thing with cancer as he's doing with vacs. Lumping them all into the same category. To him if you're not getting a vac for the flu you want to get polio and measles. If you catch cancer early when it's more easily treated or have a very treatable form, you get the treatment. When it's metastasized throughout your entire body and your odds are comparable to lottery tickets treatment might not make as much sense. Also if you're 85 years old that's different than if you're 40.


In 1956 I had polio, I did not receive the Sauk vaccine, begged my folks and won, then lost and got polio, mother was told I'd never live thru the night, I made it, I was told I'd never walk again, I served 8 years in the Army.

Do I take vaccine shots available now? You bet, no guest ions asked.

Fifteen years ago I came down with cancer, Dr. Informed my wife & I that I might live 2 to 3 months at best. I was 58 at the time. I took the most potent meds they had to offer, 15 years later I'm still here in fairly good health with other problems not related at all.

Do I regret it? Not one bit, 15 more years spent with my wonderful wife, pursuring the pleasurs we & I enjoy.

Would I do it all again, yes, at the drop of a hat.

For those of you who wish to take bets with your health and your life, go right ahead, just don't suggest the same to others. Unless of course you have the medical background to back it up!
 
I think that you mean Salk, but with your heightened awareness of it, you may well be right, and Jonas Salk spelled his name wrong all those years.

Anyway...most people exposed to the virus don't get infected, and the vast majority who get infected are asymptomatic, and the next lesser group have mild flu like symptoms, and an incredibly small number get paralytic...and nearly every US case in decades is Vaccine strain...
 
Originally Posted By: jcwit
I will do as I have for the last 20/30 years and get my flu shot, which will likely protect me as it has for the last 20/30 years from getting sick from the flu.


Fairly accurate time range on that, 20/30.

I trust that you will continue to have great success.

OZ had a record uptake on the vaccine this year and had a record flu season...and are promising a better, stronger, and faster vaccine for next year.

Statistics are like that.

Was interesting watching people drop like flies as they got the shot, then drop like flies as they got the flu (not drop in the literal sense...days off sick)
 
Originally Posted By: Shannow

Statistics are like that.

Was interesting watching people drop like flies as they got the shot, then drop like flies as they got the flu (not drop in the literal sense...days off sick)

True..with statistics.

As an engineer (as I know you are) my life always revolves around statistical correctness (lol..thats a funny). If the flu vaccine is 37% effective I get it. If the shingle vaccine is 50% effective, I get it. If taking statins decrease my chances of dying in the next 10 years from 15% to 7.5% (that is the standard), I get it.

Yes I understand that in small sample statistics things don't always work out. But for now, at the age of 69 life is good. I want to keep it that way for as long as I can...lol
 
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Al
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we've been kicking these topics (and many others) for a decade, and always respect for each other's choices.
 
I have some anecdotal evidence to post. I had to wait to see how it played out. Wife got sick last week with some sort of nastiness. Bad enough for her to go to the Dr which gave her some cough meds and antis. The baby and I did just fine, never a symptom. One of us got the flu shot when they came out. I'll let you guys guess.
 
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Al
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we've been kicking these topics (and many others) for a decade, and always respect for each other's choices.

You better believe it!!
 
Originally Posted By: Al


As an engineer (as I know you are) my life always revolves around statistical correctness (lol..thats a funny).



"Statistical Correctness"

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LOVE it! I've been using Statistics since 1982. Using it!

You just may have started a new movement, lol!!
 
Originally Posted By: Turk

"Statistical Correctness"

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LOVE it! I've been using Statistics since 1982. Using it!

You just may have started a new movement, lol!!


Remember, you heard it on BITOG
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