Amazon Basics 0W-40 Euro

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No. The rest of my cars are all Lexus and Mazda and Honda and all calls for API 0W-20 FS. This is the only German car I have.
Please don't take this wrong. I'm not trying to be mean. But think about this. You would use an oil that doesn't meet the 229.5 specification in your turbo Mercedes. But you won't use that same oil in any of your Asian cars, because it doesn't meet the 0W-20 FS specification? 🤔 🤔 🤔
 
But it doesn't have 229.5, does anyone know if it's just as good as those with the 229.5 approval or has anyone actually used this stuff for full 10K drain. My neighbor does with his Audis but..... But I guess I can use it on my Ariens snowblower and John Deere rider.
No it’s not. Or at least it hasn’t demonstrated that it is. That’s what approvals do, they demonstrate a specific level of performance.
 
Please don't take this wrong. I'm not trying to be mean. But think about this. You would use an oil that doesn't meet the 229.5 specification in your turbo Mercedes. But you won't use that same oil in any of your Asian cars, because it doesn't meet the 0W-20 FS specification? 🤔 🤔 🤔
No worries. I didn't take it that way at all. :) But I didn't say that I would use the non approved oil in the Turbo Benz. I'm just saying that now I already changed it I just wanted to get an idea of whether it is Ok to leave it in there or drain it and put M1 in there. That's all. And I didn't say that I won't use it in any of the 4 Asian cars I have either. Someone asked and I said yeah I have 4 Asian cars that call for 0W-20 and I have tons from those Pennzoil deals. Honestly I have like 16 jugs. It will take some time before I use those on the 4 Asian cars. But I bought this Amazon stuff for this Benz and that was my intention to use it for that.
 
There was a huge thread about it being like $6 a jug on Amazon a month or two ago.

A deal is not a deal unless the product is actually useful to you.
For sure. If you had some beater that didn't require actual OE approvals, sure, but for something modern that does? Not a chance I'd use this stuff.

Reminds me a bit of a recent discussion we had (@edyvw you remember this one?) about some comments Gokhan shared from a paper that indicated that some of the ACEA oils wouldn't pass one of the API sequences, as the low SAPS ACEA protocols are looking to adopt some of the API protocols as they become more aligned. There was no mention as to the specific nature of these products or who produced them but if they were inexpensive ACEA-only products, IE, they didn't carry any OE approvals and weren't subject to any of the OEM testing, then that's perhaps some insight into the actual performance of these sorts of "bargain" products in service.
 
FWIW. I called the number on the Amazon bottle where it said distributed by Warren. I ended up getting transferred to a guy. Warren has been bought out (merged) and now is named Highline Warren. He asked for my email and sent me this. He said he had to dig it up. It is the specs for the Amazon 0w-40 Euro ACEA A3/B4. It said meets 229.5 for Mercedes along with some other Europeans requirements. It's a PDF file but I can't attach a PDF here so I snipped it into 2 JPG files. That is good enough for me. Thanks guys.
 

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As someone on here once said, once you deviate from an approved oil, you are operating on a relationship of trust.

If you trust Highline Warren, then you have your answer.
 
On another note, I pulled up this Mag1 ow-40 Euro also from Warren that specified approval for 229.5 and compared the numbers and it pretty much matched up with the Amazon oil. I am convinced that the Amazon oil is the same stuff as Mag1. so I am confident I can easily go the full drain interval.

https://mag1.com/products/passenger...full-synthetic-european-0w-40-a3b4-motor-oil/
Lol what numbers?

You know the extent of Mercedes-Benz 229.5 approval and all the included ISO, ASTM or other standardized tests? And you know the test results of all of them?

You have no clue what you are doing here.
 
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Lol what numbers?

You know the extent of Mercedes-Benz 229.5 approval and all the included ISO, ASTM or other standardized tests? And you know the test results of all of them?

You have no clue what you are doing here.
LOL. And you do? I supposed you got your Masters in Chemical Engineering and spent 32 years working at Chevron or Exxon Mobil? Well, instead of sitting behind the keyboard saying people have no clue what they are doing, why don't you show them what you do know? In the meantime I am gonna trust the chemical engineers at Warren over you sitting behind his keyboard claiming to know it alls.

This reminds me of the topic in one of the Honda groups where there was a debate about the OEM Honda filters made by Filtech versus those made by Fram. At the end of the day has anyone ever able to prove that the Fram filters failed and cause catatrosphic damages to them Honda engines? LOL. Anyways Peace to you brother.
 
LOL. And you do? I supposed you got your Masters in Chemical Engineering and spent 32 years working at Chevron or Exxon Mobil? Well, instead of sitting behind the keyboard saying people have no clue what they are doing, why don't you show them what you do know? In the meantime I am gonna trust the chemical engineers at Warren over you sitting behind his keyboard claiming to know it alls.

This reminds me of the topic in one of the Honda groups where there was a debate about the OEM Honda filters made by Filtech versus those made by Fram. At the end of the day has anyone ever able to prove that the Fram filters failed and cause catatrosphic damages to them Honda engines? LOL. Anyways Peace to you brother.
Lol that didn't take long.

Here's a tip "hondaguyinma". Look up the Afton Specification Handbook and get a clue as to what all comprises the extent of a Mercedes-Benz approval. See if you can get values for some of those requirements from Mag1, because those are the actual "numbers" you need to compare. Like I said you are not even on the same planet here.

And no I do not have a masters in chemistry (chemical engineering would not be as appropriate). I do have a minor in chemistry however, which isn't really the basis for what I said. I'm mostly commenting on your lack of understanding about what "numbers" are, where they come from, and what they actually mean.

You don’t even have to find the Handbook. Overkill did it for you above.
 
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Lol that didn't take long.

Here's a tip "hondaguyinma". Look up the Afton Specification Handbook and get a clue as to what all comprises the extent of a Mercedes-Benz approval. See if you can get values for some of those requirements from Mag1, because those are the actual "numbers" you need to compare. Like I said you are not even on the same planet here.

And no I do not have a masters in chemistry (chemical engineering would not be as appropriate). I do have a minor in chemistry however, which isn't really the basis for what I said. I'm mostly commenting on your lack of understanding about what "numbers" are, where they come from, and what they actually mean.
That's great if you are into those numbers but to me honestly? I don't care. Tell me Hey man if you use this Amazon Basics oil your engine will fail (or any Euro that does not have MB's 229.5 approval but still claim to meet requirements for that matter) and show me something to back it up then I will believe. But has there been a case where these non approved oil that claimed to meet 299.5 failed and caused engine damages? The main reason I created the account here and asked this was like I said and I will repeat it one more time, I got this stuff for cheap on clearance when my neighbor told me about it. I already changed the oil in the Benz with it. Would I buy this stuff if it was same price or even a little less than MB 1 or Castrol? No. All I asked was simply has anyone used this stuff and what their experience is. I don't need these numbers thrown at me. Save it man. If you are anal enough to let the numbers bother you then whatever floats your boats. This was not about me tryna save a few bucks with this oil. It was about me debating if I should drain it and refill with M1 or if it was OK to leave it in there at least for this drain.

I use Purolator Pure One oil filters for my Honda (and OEM filters for Lexus and Mazda and MB) and like I said there was a big debate about the OEM Honda filters made by Filtech versus Fram. Thousands of Honda dealers use those OEM made by Fram each and every day. Have anyone had any issues with them? If people are anal enough to look for the Filtech on Ebay then good for them. Anyways. I'm out. I just removed the door so it won't hit me on the way out. Good luck to you man. You gave me as good of a laugh as watching Scotty Kilmer. Peace.
 
That's great if you are into those numbers but to me honestly? I don't care. Tell me Hey man if you use this Amazon Basics oil your engine will fail (or any Euro that does not have MB's 229.5 approval but still claim to meet requirements for that matter) and show me something to back it up then I will believe. But has there been a case where these non approved oil that claimed to meet 299.5 failed and caused engine damages? The main reason I created the account here and asked this was like I said and I will repeat it one more time, I got this stuff for cheap on clearance when my neighbor told me about it. I already changed the oil in the Benz with it. Would I buy this stuff if it was same price or even a little less than MB 1 or Castrol? No. All I asked was simply has anyone used this stuff and what their experience is. I don't need these numbers thrown at me. Save it man. If you are anal enough to let the numbers bother you then whatever floats your boats. This was not about me tryna save a few bucks with this oil. It was about me debating if I should drain it and refill with M1 or if it was OK to leave it in there at least for this drain.

I use Purolator Pure One oil filters for my Honda (and OEM filters for Lexus and Mazda and MB) and like I said there was a big debate about the OEM Honda filters made by Filtech versus Fram. Thousands of Honda dealers use those OEM made by Fram each and every day. Have anyone had any issues with them? If people are anal enough to look for the Filtech on Ebay then good for them. Anyways. I'm out. I just removed the door so it won't hit me on the way out. Good luck to you man. You gave me as good of a laugh as watching Scotty Kilmer. Peace.
You were the one who asked, not me. I and others in this thread answered your question with technical responses, but then you said you compared the numbers and were confident in going the whole OCI because of them.

Sounds like a case of confirmation bias more than anything else. Especially when you say “I don’t care”. That settles it, doesn’t it? That and the fact that all this gave you a laugh.

Those “numbers” being thrown at you, those are the facts. Sorry about that.
 
FWIW. I called the number on the Amazon bottle where it said distributed by Warren. I ended up getting transferred to a guy. Warren has been bought out (merged) and now is named Highline Warren. He asked for my email and sent me this. He said he had to dig it up. It is the specs for the Amazon 0w-40 Euro ACEA A3/B4. It said meets 229.5 for Mercedes along with some other Europeans requirements. It's a PDF file but I can't attach a PDF here so I snipped it into 2 JPG files. That is good enough for me. Thanks guys.
It says meets the requirements for 229.5, not that it's approved ;) As @edyvw noted, it's whether you trust that the product actually does, and that's up for you to decide. Mercedes (nor BMW, Porsche...etc) have approved that lubricant.
 
On another note, I pulled up this Mag1 ow-40 Euro also from Warren that specified approval for 229.5 and compared the numbers and it pretty much matched up with the Amazon oil. I am convinced that the Amazon oil is the same stuff as Mag1. so I am confident I can easily go the full drain interval.

https://mag1.com/products/passenger...full-synthetic-european-0w-40-a3b4-motor-oil/
Yes, I noted in my first reply in this thread that it's generally accepted that this is just Mag1. Warren produces a lot of "store brand" oils sold under different labels.
 
^Like they said, it's based on how much you trust Warren when they say it would meet the requirements. By the way, thanks for posting the PDS for this even if it's 4+ years old because other inquiries to get it came up empty on other threads.

- It doesn't have official approvals/licenses.
- Warren says it meets those requirements.

Personally, I think Warren Distribution/Highline is no slouch when it comes to blending lubricants. They supply some of the most popular store-brand oils through Walmart's Super Tech, Costco's Kirkland, and Amazon Basics. In that sense I feel like some of the arguments from 'is Super Tech as good as X' threads can apply here too if you want to read those and arrive at your own conclusion.

I'd use it and change it slightly earlier than the full mileage interval but I'd do that for any oil since I don't drive much and I get fidgety after a few years.

Still, I think you're already doing better than some by using a "European formula" oil from an established blender. Anecdotally, I sold most of my excess oils on Craigslist this past year. Some owners bought regular synthetic or even blend in 5W30 for their BMWs/Mercedes despite me telling them multiple times that it's not the correct oil and they shouldn't use it for the full oil change interval. Yeah, they all ignored me.
 
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