allseason or winter tires for me..
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Winter tires last plenty long. My first set, being cycled in from November to April with summer tires made it to 100,000 miles. Then I sold them for $75 with plenty of tread left. I would never run all seasons in the winter. Can't put a price on safety or fun.
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edyvw
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Originally Posted By: CrawfishTails
Agreed, nothing better available in a dedicated winter tire than Michelin Xice3. They are even speed rated highly, so they hold up nicely, plenty of margin, in high summer heat. And they do last a long time, about as long as most all-season tires out there. "Icing" on top: They are also low rolling resistance tires!
There is no winter tire that will perform satisfactory after summer driving. In Chicago summer, they would just wear off in 4-5 months. Not to mention that in warm weather they increase braking distance, they do not provide proper handling etc. Xi3 is still true winter tire with very soft compound. Anything above 50 degrees will start to wear them down faster.
However, they are better in warmer weather then Bridgestone Blizzaks. It is a tread off, Blizzaks are better in deep snow, slush, generally harsher winter conditions and they do not last as long as Xi3. Still, I would buy in conditions I am driving in Bridgestone Bliazzaks or Continental Winter Contact before Xi3.
I believe that Xi3 are probably best option for Chicago etc, places where there are no high mountain passes, up and down configuration of roads. In Colorado, so far what I saw, they are just average.
Agreed, nothing better available in a dedicated winter tire than Michelin Xice3. They are even speed rated highly, so they hold up nicely, plenty of margin, in high summer heat. And they do last a long time, about as long as most all-season tires out there. "Icing" on top: They are also low rolling resistance tires!
There is no winter tire that will perform satisfactory after summer driving. In Chicago summer, they would just wear off in 4-5 months. Not to mention that in warm weather they increase braking distance, they do not provide proper handling etc. Xi3 is still true winter tire with very soft compound. Anything above 50 degrees will start to wear them down faster.
However, they are better in warmer weather then Bridgestone Blizzaks. It is a tread off, Blizzaks are better in deep snow, slush, generally harsher winter conditions and they do not last as long as Xi3. Still, I would buy in conditions I am driving in Bridgestone Bliazzaks or Continental Winter Contact before Xi3.
I believe that Xi3 are probably best option for Chicago etc, places where there are no high mountain passes, up and down configuration of roads. In Colorado, so far what I saw, they are just average.
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Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: bowlofturtle
This is for my Infiniti g35 AWD sedan. Car makes a little more than 300hp/300torque at the CRANK.
Current setup..
Winter = 215/55/17 Firestone FR710 or something
Summer = 235/45/18/ Kumho LE SPORT (love these)
Car is daily driven in the city. Average plowing in the winter but city parking can get tricky pulling into spots. Never owned winter tires. My car is on the road every weekday for 20-100miles. Mixed city and highway, i've been getting by with random allseason tires.
My 17's are wearing down now, almost to a point on dry pavement if I floor it mid turn i can chirp tires. I'm going to finish off this winter and throw my summer tires on and start shopping for new 17's. I'm at a cross road on what to get, some decent All-season like a Kumha 4x ($100), firestone winterforce (100), WS80 blizzaack are $130. Many say the DWS are best blend of both, then i hear people say they are useless for snow after 15k on a 40-60k tire.
I'm also a little price senstive, i dont mind shelling out money for summer tires but winter/fall tires.... i can careless. I drive aggressive in the summertime and very missdaisy like in the winter/rain/cold.
Not sure if it matters but car is set to -1.7 camber with a little toe in.
For me tires never been expensive. I would buy used cars with 20K or 30K and dealer would install new Kumho or Hankook. For me those are the MOST expensive tires, since after 10-15K you can throw them away.
I had Kumho Ecsta on VW CC when I bought car with 28K. Dealer installed, since only way I would buy Kumho would be to point gun to my head. They were AMAZING in hydroplaning. However, handling in wet was really funny, since you could slide car anytime you wanted. What was NOT funny was braking in wet. After 12K, they lost balance, and could not be balanced anymore.
I drive both winter (Blizzak LM-60) and summer (Michelin PSS). This is what I would do if I owned that car and lived there (and I know Chicago very well):
1. Get Michelin Pilot Super Sport. You can actually find them in Costco for more then a decent price. For my car, 235/45 R17 they are $122. I can guarantee you that you will never look at Kumho or similar tires after those. Granted, they last 20-25K, but that is price you pay for performance.
2. Get PERFORMANCE winter tire. If you buy Blizzak WS-80, your car would chew them in no time. See how much is Dunlop Winter Sport 4D, Bridgestone Blizzak LM-60 (NOT WS-60). Next year Continental will start selling Continental WInter Contact SI, that will have high speed rating. Also, Mihelin Xi3 is not bad, but deep snow and slush performance is questionable. On ice, packed snow and dry they are superb.
Xi3 run $123 currently at tirerack. Will keep this in mind when shopping.
I was running 265/40/18 michelin PS2 last summer on my rears. Take offs from a Porsche. Loved them, but couldn't afford to keep running them as i burned thru 4/32 in one summer. The Kumho's i love right now for the price paid. Had them mid summer and ran maybe 5k on them, still brand new.
I never had to use a warranty on tires, do you have to send the tires in to get $$ back?
Originally Posted By: bowlofturtle
This is for my Infiniti g35 AWD sedan. Car makes a little more than 300hp/300torque at the CRANK.
Current setup..
Winter = 215/55/17 Firestone FR710 or something
Summer = 235/45/18/ Kumho LE SPORT (love these)
Car is daily driven in the city. Average plowing in the winter but city parking can get tricky pulling into spots. Never owned winter tires. My car is on the road every weekday for 20-100miles. Mixed city and highway, i've been getting by with random allseason tires.
My 17's are wearing down now, almost to a point on dry pavement if I floor it mid turn i can chirp tires. I'm going to finish off this winter and throw my summer tires on and start shopping for new 17's. I'm at a cross road on what to get, some decent All-season like a Kumha 4x ($100), firestone winterforce (100), WS80 blizzaack are $130. Many say the DWS are best blend of both, then i hear people say they are useless for snow after 15k on a 40-60k tire.
I'm also a little price senstive, i dont mind shelling out money for summer tires but winter/fall tires.... i can careless. I drive aggressive in the summertime and very missdaisy like in the winter/rain/cold.
Not sure if it matters but car is set to -1.7 camber with a little toe in.
For me tires never been expensive. I would buy used cars with 20K or 30K and dealer would install new Kumho or Hankook. For me those are the MOST expensive tires, since after 10-15K you can throw them away.
I had Kumho Ecsta on VW CC when I bought car with 28K. Dealer installed, since only way I would buy Kumho would be to point gun to my head. They were AMAZING in hydroplaning. However, handling in wet was really funny, since you could slide car anytime you wanted. What was NOT funny was braking in wet. After 12K, they lost balance, and could not be balanced anymore.
I drive both winter (Blizzak LM-60) and summer (Michelin PSS). This is what I would do if I owned that car and lived there (and I know Chicago very well):
1. Get Michelin Pilot Super Sport. You can actually find them in Costco for more then a decent price. For my car, 235/45 R17 they are $122. I can guarantee you that you will never look at Kumho or similar tires after those. Granted, they last 20-25K, but that is price you pay for performance.
2. Get PERFORMANCE winter tire. If you buy Blizzak WS-80, your car would chew them in no time. See how much is Dunlop Winter Sport 4D, Bridgestone Blizzak LM-60 (NOT WS-60). Next year Continental will start selling Continental WInter Contact SI, that will have high speed rating. Also, Mihelin Xi3 is not bad, but deep snow and slush performance is questionable. On ice, packed snow and dry they are superb.
Xi3 run $123 currently at tirerack. Will keep this in mind when shopping.
I was running 265/40/18 michelin PS2 last summer on my rears. Take offs from a Porsche. Loved them, but couldn't afford to keep running them as i burned thru 4/32 in one summer. The Kumho's i love right now for the price paid. Had them mid summer and ran maybe 5k on them, still brand new.
I never had to use a warranty on tires, do you have to send the tires in to get $$ back?
edyvw
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Originally Posted By: bowlofturtle
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: bowlofturtle
This is for my Infiniti g35 AWD sedan. Car makes a little more than 300hp/300torque at the CRANK.
Current setup..
Winter = 215/55/17 Firestone FR710 or something
Summer = 235/45/18/ Kumho LE SPORT (love these)
Car is daily driven in the city. Average plowing in the winter but city parking can get tricky pulling into spots. Never owned winter tires. My car is on the road every weekday for 20-100miles. Mixed city and highway, i've been getting by with random allseason tires.
My 17's are wearing down now, almost to a point on dry pavement if I floor it mid turn i can chirp tires. I'm going to finish off this winter and throw my summer tires on and start shopping for new 17's. I'm at a cross road on what to get, some decent All-season like a Kumha 4x ($100), firestone winterforce (100), WS80 blizzaack are $130. Many say the DWS are best blend of both, then i hear people say they are useless for snow after 15k on a 40-60k tire.
I'm also a little price senstive, i dont mind shelling out money for summer tires but winter/fall tires.... i can careless. I drive aggressive in the summertime and very missdaisy like in the winter/rain/cold.
Not sure if it matters but car is set to -1.7 camber with a little toe in.
For me tires never been expensive. I would buy used cars with 20K or 30K and dealer would install new Kumho or Hankook. For me those are the MOST expensive tires, since after 10-15K you can throw them away.
I had Kumho Ecsta on VW CC when I bought car with 28K. Dealer installed, since only way I would buy Kumho would be to point gun to my head. They were AMAZING in hydroplaning. However, handling in wet was really funny, since you could slide car anytime you wanted. What was NOT funny was braking in wet. After 12K, they lost balance, and could not be balanced anymore.
I drive both winter (Blizzak LM-60) and summer (Michelin PSS). This is what I would do if I owned that car and lived there (and I know Chicago very well):
1. Get Michelin Pilot Super Sport. You can actually find them in Costco for more then a decent price. For my car, 235/45 R17 they are $122. I can guarantee you that you will never look at Kumho or similar tires after those. Granted, they last 20-25K, but that is price you pay for performance.
2. Get PERFORMANCE winter tire. If you buy Blizzak WS-80, your car would chew them in no time. See how much is Dunlop Winter Sport 4D, Bridgestone Blizzak LM-60 (NOT WS-60). Next year Continental will start selling Continental WInter Contact SI, that will have high speed rating. Also, Mihelin Xi3 is not bad, but deep snow and slush performance is questionable. On ice, packed snow and dry they are superb.
Xi3 run $123 currently at tirerack. Will keep this in mind when shopping.
I was running 265/40/18 michelin PS2 last summer on my rears. Take offs from a Porsche. Loved them, but couldn't afford to keep running them as i burned thru 4/32 in one summer. The Kumho's i love right now for the price paid. Had them mid summer and ran maybe 5k on them, still brand new.
I never had to use a warranty on tires, do you have to send the tires in to get $$ back?
Nah, I lived in San Diego back then.Guy in Discount Tire gave me $80 for all 4, he probably sold them in Mexico.
That is exactly problem with Kumho, they do not wear out, which tells me that compound is very hard, which means wet performance (braking and handling) is questionable. Mine looked brand new after 12k.
Yes, Michelin PSS will wear out really fast. I am now at 5/32 and 6/32 and I yet have to figure out how they keep their hydroplaning performance on high level at such tread depth. I am getting those tire again if I keep this car.
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: bowlofturtle
This is for my Infiniti g35 AWD sedan. Car makes a little more than 300hp/300torque at the CRANK.
Current setup..
Winter = 215/55/17 Firestone FR710 or something
Summer = 235/45/18/ Kumho LE SPORT (love these)
Car is daily driven in the city. Average plowing in the winter but city parking can get tricky pulling into spots. Never owned winter tires. My car is on the road every weekday for 20-100miles. Mixed city and highway, i've been getting by with random allseason tires.
My 17's are wearing down now, almost to a point on dry pavement if I floor it mid turn i can chirp tires. I'm going to finish off this winter and throw my summer tires on and start shopping for new 17's. I'm at a cross road on what to get, some decent All-season like a Kumha 4x ($100), firestone winterforce (100), WS80 blizzaack are $130. Many say the DWS are best blend of both, then i hear people say they are useless for snow after 15k on a 40-60k tire.
I'm also a little price senstive, i dont mind shelling out money for summer tires but winter/fall tires.... i can careless. I drive aggressive in the summertime and very missdaisy like in the winter/rain/cold.
Not sure if it matters but car is set to -1.7 camber with a little toe in.
For me tires never been expensive. I would buy used cars with 20K or 30K and dealer would install new Kumho or Hankook. For me those are the MOST expensive tires, since after 10-15K you can throw them away.
I had Kumho Ecsta on VW CC when I bought car with 28K. Dealer installed, since only way I would buy Kumho would be to point gun to my head. They were AMAZING in hydroplaning. However, handling in wet was really funny, since you could slide car anytime you wanted. What was NOT funny was braking in wet. After 12K, they lost balance, and could not be balanced anymore.
I drive both winter (Blizzak LM-60) and summer (Michelin PSS). This is what I would do if I owned that car and lived there (and I know Chicago very well):
1. Get Michelin Pilot Super Sport. You can actually find them in Costco for more then a decent price. For my car, 235/45 R17 they are $122. I can guarantee you that you will never look at Kumho or similar tires after those. Granted, they last 20-25K, but that is price you pay for performance.
2. Get PERFORMANCE winter tire. If you buy Blizzak WS-80, your car would chew them in no time. See how much is Dunlop Winter Sport 4D, Bridgestone Blizzak LM-60 (NOT WS-60). Next year Continental will start selling Continental WInter Contact SI, that will have high speed rating. Also, Mihelin Xi3 is not bad, but deep snow and slush performance is questionable. On ice, packed snow and dry they are superb.
Xi3 run $123 currently at tirerack. Will keep this in mind when shopping.
I was running 265/40/18 michelin PS2 last summer on my rears. Take offs from a Porsche. Loved them, but couldn't afford to keep running them as i burned thru 4/32 in one summer. The Kumho's i love right now for the price paid. Had them mid summer and ran maybe 5k on them, still brand new.
I never had to use a warranty on tires, do you have to send the tires in to get $$ back?
Nah, I lived in San Diego back then.Guy in Discount Tire gave me $80 for all 4, he probably sold them in Mexico.
That is exactly problem with Kumho, they do not wear out, which tells me that compound is very hard, which means wet performance (braking and handling) is questionable. Mine looked brand new after 12k.
Yes, Michelin PSS will wear out really fast. I am now at 5/32 and 6/32 and I yet have to figure out how they keep their hydroplaning performance on high level at such tread depth. I am getting those tire again if I keep this car.
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