Originally Posted By: Apollo14
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Sorry Mori. I can not post anything more than open source intelligence. I was trying to prompt you to gather the facts for yourself. There is likely as few as 30 American Passport holders fighting with ISIS currently. Western European nations are reporting 700 to 1200 Passport holders as current members of ISIS.
Mori there can be no preemptive strikes against ISIS. Two Americans have been decapitated for the sole purpose to spread ISIS propaganda for recruitment. There is also an nearly hour long movie produced from ISIS spreading its propaganda for it caliphate, its caliph, and for American destruction. Along with the message the War has just begun there is a lot more to follow. I imagine the hundreds of decapitated heads of ISIS's enemies, mass graves, and the execution of American's will not ever be enough for you take action or even call for action against ISIS. At least action in a meaningful way to stop ISIS and its expansion. "Coalition" building, airstrikes, asset freezing, and shaking fingers does not stop any group will ill content once it has gained this much momentum. Sorry direct confrontation is the only means at this point to blunt the momentum. The "coalition" of Sunni's will be helpful in the next step of providing a real alternative to the insane views of Baghdadi, if the Sunni nations are truly intent of stopping ISIS. The issue is under this leadership the tactics are half measured and backwards thus ineffective and in case because of inaction this problem has only spread, grown, entrenched, thus a lot more costly to defeat in both economic and human life.
Why are you calling me Mori?
And why do you think I wouldn't be willing to take action?
The problem is that even with ground troops what does victory look like? We would go in with overwhelming force and ISIS would scatter. We would then become a permanent security force for Iraq, setting up bases across the country. They then have the choice of having the jihad against America that they want or they would disperse to other countries where they would be safe to plot against the US.
Do you wonder why they make statements such as "Come here or we will come to you", "Fight like real men instead of using drones"? I don't know why are you so willing to fight them how they want to be fought.
I think it is a far better strategy to fight a slow war which diminishes ISIS and prevents them from scattering. Iraqi forces can learn on the job how to take back cities and secure them. It will be invaluable experience for when this is over.
This is what Netanyahu said a few days ago at the UN. He doesn't think that ISIS are the big threat you do at all, and he is right next door to them.
Originally Posted By: Netanyahu
Mr Netanyahu warned that the gravest threat to the world today is the danger of Iran obtaining nuclear weapons. "It's one thing to confront militant Islamists on pick-up trucks, armed with Kalashnikov rifles. It's another thing to confront militant Islamists armed with weapons of mass destruction"
It is war for a reason. Sorry if the issue of staying in Iraq disagrees with you, if this was done in the first place the whole issue of ISIS would just be the Levant and Iraq would not be on the verge of annihilation to ISIS.
The concept of engaging the enemy in their yard is favorable then engaging the enemy here. Think about it while the U.S. was conducting operations in Iraq just about every nutjob was content of fighting service members there and due to the capture of high ranking Al-Qaeda operatives in Iraq we where able to gather Intel on UBL that led to his killing.
With your logic Nazi Germany should not have been engaged by the U.S. after all Germany did not attack the U.S. Japan did. All Germany did was declare war against the U.S.
