Airstrikes in Syria.

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Originally Posted By: OVERKILL

Showing one's political slant does nothing to hide the fact that once again, under a completely different administration, America is meddling in the middle east. The fact that Oboma's platform for election leveraged getting out of the middle east to garner votes doesn't change that fact that here he is, doing it too.

So either the same civilian blood going forward is on his hands, which makes him not much different than those that came before him, or it isn't, in which case, it wasn't for the previous administrations either, nullifying your earlier "zinger" implying your own government was a terrorist organization.


The Obots are still in lock step.

I wonder when folks will begin to note the complete and utter surprise we are always expressing.

Crimea? Completely unexpected. Benghazi? Unanticipated. Syria? Astonishing. ISIL? Startling.

The list goes on. Either we have a foreign policy wing run by complete amateurs or someone sure is stupid...
 
This thread has been all over the place! We might as well go here : Muslim world population = 1.4 BILLION..20% of the worlds population..20 of every 100 people = 10 Nobel prizes...6 peace prizes, one of which was Yasser Arafat...a terrorist...2 for literature...1 for physics...1 for chemistry. Jewish world population = 17 million...0.2% of the worlds population...2 of every 1,000 people = 192 Nobel prizes...9 for peace....12 for literature....31 for chemistry....30 for economics....50 for physics....etc ! Just Sayin!
 
Originally Posted By: FXjohn
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Vikas
What an irony! Who would have guess it would have come from OVERKILL? Aren't you the fanning the flames? Listen, killing is killing; whether it is by lethal injection, a bullet to the heart, blown up by drone controlled from 10K miles away or chopping off the head. The victim is not able to differentiate between them. You are the one who seem to be completely enthralled with the beheading.


I don't think it is ironic at all. I find people fascinating and I like discussing them, what motivates them, what bothers them, what scares them and what drives them to say the things they say and do the things they do Vikas. In that sense I find your contempt of me fascinating and how you obsess about my posts, as there is obviously something psychological going on there.

I know that I bother you.


you're not exactly sophisticated or interesting.


Not to the likes of you, of course not.
 
Originally Posted By: FXjohn
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The Southern Poverty Law Center .....



The Southern Poverty Law Center? Seriously?

That's just a hate group calling everybody else a hate group in my opinion.
 
Before this thread goes off the rails like so many others before it and/or get the lock.

This 'campaign' of airstrikes against ISIS/ISIL is not cheap. http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/iraq-tu...ion-day-n192051

So far, it hasn't seemed to make a dent in the ISIS numbers or threat level since before the 'campaign' began. If anything we are getting reports of more people joining ISIS. They aren't running scared, there has been no change. Maybe after they get more countries on-side to join in the attacks. Maybe those other countries can actually provide some basic intel to find actual people enemies instead of supposed building structures to make a difference, instead of chasing shadows.

Seems like just another time/money/life/energy epic fail.
 
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Originally Posted By: Smokescreen
Seems like just another time/money/life/energy epic fail.

Well, we did give them several weeks advanced notice to move their operations to protected sites.

Originally Posted By: gman2304
This thread has been all over the place! We might as well go here : Muslim world population = 1.4 BILLION..20% of the worlds population..20 of every 100 people = 10 Nobel prizes...6 peace prizes, one of which was Yasser Arafat...a terrorist...2 for literature...1 for physics...1 for chemistry. Jewish world population = 17 million...0.2% of the worlds population...2 of every 1,000 people = 192 Nobel prizes...9 for peace....12 for literature....31 for chemistry....30 for economics....50 for physics....etc ! Just Sayin!

Excellent point. It seems that whatever the scholarly level associated with a country or culture, we are all still inept at keeping from massacring each other over the ages.


Lets face it. No matter what the U.S. does, we would be criticizing it here in hypocritical fashion. People denounce the current administration as if the preceding ones were effective. We chastise the Muslims for their ongoing troubles without acknowledging the Christian bloodshed and atrocities over the ages. Yes, you guys that are bantering back and forth about terrorist casualties should put some study into this.

I challenge everyone here to spend an hour at this site below to appreciate the "view from the other side". It requires some real "manning up" to open one's mind to views outside our own bubble.

http://www.islam101.com/terror/index.htm

Go to the left link that lists FAQ's. The link to Christian Terrorism, while slanted, is interesting also.

In the end, it is obvious that the two largest faiths in the world, Christianity and Islam, have both failed miserably in keeping their radical components in line. Post WW I, the meddling (thank you Overkill for bringing this term up) of foreign countries in the middle east encouraged the mess that we have to deal with today.

So, between doing nothing and nuking the entire area, what is the solution??? Our meddling, as Overkill brought up, probably created the problem and is ineffective in ending the problem.

If this crosses the line regarding discussion of religion, moderators please remove it.
 
I wouldn't go off of nobel prizes as a statement of achievement. Their disbursement is politically motivated.
Witness the peace prize given to zero at the beginning of his term. Result? He's bombed seven countries and plunged the mideast and north africa into chaos, and fomented unrest in Ukraine (euromaidan) and now also in Hong Kong... the guy's been committing arson on a global scale, plunging the world on fire, and he has a nobel prize to show for it.
FACT: before his term, Libya was stable, and in fact the most prosperous nation in Africa.
FACT: before his term, Syria was stable, and many more people were alive.
FACT: before his term, Ukraine was stable and wasn't divided into east and west and it had control of Crimea
FACT: before his term, Egypt was stable.
FACT: before his term, Iraq was stable.
FACT: before his term, we didn't have all of Central America's dregs pouring into our border like we do right now

He has a Nobel Peace Prize.

The nobel prize is MEANINGLESS!
 
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/dd2c6d16-45a1-11e4-ab10-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3EouwVMuJ

http://www.jammiewf.com/2014/isis-advanc...stimating-them/

I have said this before. Either the U.S. goes all in on military intervention or does nothing and move on. Another examples of half measures does not work.

Also IMO no one should buy the notion that the President was not briefed on the expansion of ISIS, I have never been part of the intelligence community and I see the expansion of ISIS by using google over the last 18 months. I am sure the professionals that are in the intelligence community are more capable and dedicated then an citizen goggling the internet.
 
Stable....[firmly established...not subject to insecurity]. Your examples..Libya, Syria, Ukraine, Egypt, Iraq! Really?
 
Originally Posted By: gman2304
Stable....[firmly established...not subject to insecurity]. Your examples..Libya, Syria, Ukraine, Egypt, Iraq! Really?

Yeah!
They were! Absolutely!
It was his state department and his color revolution/arab spring cronies who lit those areas on fire!
 
L-Sludger, I misinterpreted your last post, my bad. Like the USSR was stable between 1917 and 1991. I misunderstood your logic. Sorry
 
Originally Posted By: Smokescreen
Before this thread goes off the rails

i think its gone more than off the rails. Its been in the bushes a long time ago and only going downhill.
Overkill and a few others have made good points and are just expressing their feelings about the whole situation.

Unfortunately it has not developed into an honest debate. but instead has gotten some worked up in such a lather they are having some issues.
In that sort of state its only a matter of time before they are found by relatives crouched in the dark and screaming in the garden shed.
 
Originally Posted By: Trav

Unfortunately it has not developed into an honest debate. but instead has gotten some worked up in such a lather they are having some issues.
In that sort of state its only a matter of time before they are found by relatives crouched in the dark and screaming in the garden shed.

that's awfully specific and detailed. traumatic childhood?
 
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/syria-u-s-dual-policy-is-recipe-for-more-violence/

UNITED NATIONS -- Syria's foreign minister on Monday blasted the United States' "dual policy" of striking at some militants in Syria while providing money, weapons and training to others, calling it a recipe for more violence and terrorism.

Walid al-Moallem said such behavior creates a "fertile ground" for the continued growth of extremism in countries including Syria, Iraq and Lebanon.
 
Originally Posted By: Apollo14
9/11, WMD, Mission Accomplished

No comparison


We're not comparing. It's about time this group learned to stand on their own accomplishments, not crying about how some old leader in the past screwed up.

I live in the here and now, and my country is NOT being protected very well at all. Then my leader says his team lets him down, when I know he rarely pays attention during foreign policy briefings.

Expect a huge reminder of why we took the fight to them in the first place soon. These guys are for real, and a mamby pamby "not war" ain't going to impress them at all. It's a WORLD WIDE problem, and it's coming for us...
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: Apollo14
9/11, WMD, Mission Accomplished

No comparison


We're not comparing. It's about time this group learned to stand on their own accomplishments, not crying about how some old leader in the past screwed up.

I live in the here and now, and my country is NOT being protected very well at all. Then my leader says his team lets him down, when I know he rarely pays attention during foreign policy briefings.

Expect a huge reminder of why we took the fight to them in the first place soon. These guys are for real, and a mamby pamby "not war" ain't going to impress them at all. It's a WORLD WIDE problem, and it's coming for us...


This is a major cause for concern IMO. Either our intelligence community is led by some goof's that can not tie their own shoes while the Islamic State of Iran is becoming a nuclear power and ISIS, Putin, China, Libya and Al-Qaeda are running around striking with near impunity or our President does not have to will nor the time to actually take action against the enemies United States. I promise you the states and groups opposed to the United States does not want to sit down with us around the campfire for a round a smores and Kumbayah although faced with some of the responses people actually believe nothing of but this sort of thing would happen.

Also about 9-11 a President Clinton reportedly had no less than 6 opportunities to kill Bin Laden(Clinton also gave a interview on 9-10 and spoke about one occasion and vetoed)and about WMD's do some research. Russian, Czech Republic, and Jordain intelligence reported about Saddam pursuing and harboring WMD's. For some reason and it fits the stereotype of Americans possessing the attention span of kindergarteners many people conveniently ignore or do not research enough to know this fact.
 
I disagree that you are living in the here and now because you and others are imagining ISIS to be a huge threat to us when they are not - "it's coming for us"

Think about it for a moment. ISIS have attracted extremists from around the world. They have done western countries a favor by removing some people from those countries and turning them into cannon fodder in Syria and Iraq.

Additionally, you have ISIS supporters and Assad supporters killing each other. By striking ISIS in Syria, we strengthen the moderate rebels. If we are judicious, then we can weaken ISIS in Syria without strengthening Assad. In Iraq, the airstrikes will help Iraqi ground troops do the job they should have done before.

ISIS are focused on their dream of creating an Islamic state, which they imagine will spread and spread and spread. Their fanaticism makes them ready for this to be an eternal struggle and it makes them delusional like any cult. They are surrounded by forces hostile to them and with western air power against them they cannot expand. Their jihad will turn into a war of attrition.

They can't come for us. Do you see Israel afraid? They're happy their enemies are killing each other and they are next door for cripes sake.
 
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