Advice On My First Bike?

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Do follow the manufacturer interval for the valve adjustment.
While it might be OK to do it a couple of k's miles later I would never leave it off the maintenance routine. It is essential that you get the first rigt around schedual. If clearance gets too tight it actually might damage the valve train and engine runs hotter.
 
I'm fortunate in that I can pay cash for the bike as long as I stay around $4k not including the taxes, so I don't have to worry about gap insurance. I'm semi-mechanically inclined, automotive wise, just don't know a lot about bikes. I know what fits when I sit on it, and what I can find out by research and that's about it.

I've found a really good deal on a Suzuki S50, '07 with under 5k miles. It's a shaft drive bike, just more bike than I was planning on getting. I'll check it out on Monday. The V-Twin fans say that's the only way to go!
 
The S50 is what I'd consider a mid-size bike. If you felt pretty comfortable riding during the MSF course, you may find it OK as a trainer (your gonna still be in the learning mode for the next 6 - 12 months, a 2-day course does not leave a beginner rider skilled).

Whatever bike you pick for your first, consider it short-term. Ride it for 6 - 12 months, get your license, learn the finers skills of riding, and then you'll be ready to move on to a longer-term bike. You might even find that cruisers don't meet your expectations as much as you thought they would, as there really is a wide variety of styles out there.

Vic
 
Well, find out what you want. A sportbike or a cruiser. That alone should decide your ride. I'd get the 500f since I like sportbikes.

The valve adjustment. You can probably check the valves yourself, then in the rare instance they need adjusted, you take it in and have them do it. Your bike is already dismantled so the charge shouldn't be bad. I'd like to be able to do it alone (just like you I'm sure) but its very risky on DOHC bikes. On a TTR125 dirtbike it was stonecold easy.


Take hal's statement with a grain. Its better and safer to learn on a small bike first. Then when you outgrow it (and master it) you'll take alot better to the added power. Again, its fun to stick the cane to a small bike and scoot around. But too big a bike when you're starting out can be hazardous. Trying to balance, hit the turn indicator, watch for traffic and have to worry too much about the throttle because your wrist isnt smooth enough (yet) to gradually roll on instead of being a bit jerky.

cmon hal, through a newb on a liter bike and you can count the day to the fall. I had a good riding buddy who got an R1 (while I was on a 600 learning/focusing on cornering) all he knew was wide open on the interstate. Well, I took him to some twisty roads one day. We just started our ride and was about to hit the first good turn when he flew by me and didnt know the first thing above leaning the bike over, and well, he kept going straight into a fence. He was ok, but the bike wasnt.

Anyway, after I put 40k on a 600cc sportbike I learned that it was a big bike for the street. These RR (race replica) bikes are made for the track. They throw some blinkers on them and call them street legal. I did try to trade my 600 in on a ninja 250, but they wouldn't accept. That little 250 is all you NEED for the street. Its handling will surpass its power, thats what you need for a beginner and all you should desire as a veteran STREET rider. IF you're not into breaking the speed limit (by more than a little), your Suzuki should be fine. IF you want to lazily putt around then get the Vulcan. Also, make sure you can lean forward all day if you want a sportbike ( I love it and wouldnt have it any other way, but I'm under 30).

Now if you want to tear hide everywhere you go and take any corner as fast as you can, get the 250 ninja. Its less likely to get you into trouble. And if next year you find yourself ringing its neck for every last available hp, then sell it for a few hundred less than what you bought it for and get a 600 I-4 and be on your way.

For me, I had a 97 YZF600r, then got a 05 YZF600r and now I want a bit more top end rush so my next will probably be (hopefully) a CBR F4i or 600RR if the F4i is too old by the time I get to it.

Good luck!
 
Go try to sit on them all. The Ninja 250 might be a little too small.

People really seemed to like the Suzuki SV650 a couple years ago. Decent power, decently sporty, kind of comfortable.
 
My V-strom has the 650 v-twin, its much like the SV650 engine but probably not tuned to the same level of performance.

I'd not recommend it for a beginner. Not unless the beginner wants to practice right off the bat wheelies and interstate runs. (not saying my bike will do wheelies, but I've seen videos on youtube that show it with my model).

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Take hal's statement with a grain. Its better and safer to learn on a small bike first. Then when you outgrow it (and master it) you'll take alot better to the added power. Again, its fun to stick the cane to a small bike and scoot around. But too big a bike when you're starting out can be hazardous. Trying to balance, hit the turn indicator, watch for traffic and have to worry too much about the throttle because your wrist isnt smooth enough (yet) to gradually roll on instead of being a bit jerky.

cmon hal, through a newb on a liter bike and you can count the day to the fall. I had a good riding buddy who got an R1 (while I was on a 600 learning/focusing on cornering) all he knew was wide open on the interstate. Well, I took him to some twisty roads one day. We just started our ride and was about to hit the first good turn when he flew by me and didnt know the first thing above leaning the bike over, and well, he kept going straight into a fence. He was ok, but the bike wasnt

mjoeking has the same thoughts and experience as I do. Most motorcycle riding is learning through the school of hard knocks. If you learned some techniques in MSF course, it still takes time and experience to master them. In the meantime, you will have your share of drops and spills unless you are very careful. And you can only be so careful, else you find yourself too scared and not riding at all.

An accidental twist on the throttle with a 250cc bike is a lot more forgiving than one on a 900cc or 1300cc bike. And bike design is also a critical factor, as the 600cc sports bike is a lot more powerful (and hazardous) than the same size cruiser.

Of course, it is always up the buyer to pick out what he thinks he wants to learn on. I would only add this food for thought -- if you had a friend who did not know how to drive (car) and had just gotten his learner's permit, would you think it a good idea for him to buy a Corvette right away, just because you think he'd appreciate the power and handling? Also throw in the fact that all his practice will be by himself, with nobody in his passenger seat to supervise or offer advice.

Vic
 
I can't recommend taking a few test rides enough. A standard style bike like the GS500 is so different to ride from a cruiser. We all have our own preferences, it'd be a shame to spend $4,000 without some first hand experience to figure out what yours are.

Add me to the camp that a big cruiser/SV650/600cc sport bike is "too much" bike for a beginner. Better to learn on a more manageable machine and have to "waste" a few dollars when you decide to upgrade then to be on a machine with capabilities far exceeding your own.

jeff
 
A 600cc sport bike is way too much for a beginner. I never recommended a sport bike.He said he did not want a Ninja style bike in his first post. The Suzuki 650 v-twin has only adequate power and is not even in the same ballpark as a 4 cylinder machine. The SV650 is a small light bike and is very close in weight to the little bikes mentioned by many others,and in some cases is much lighter. If he can afford to take a large loss on a small starter bike then a little scoot may be the way to go. If not,go ahead and get something that will be acceptable in the long term. Just because a bike has a little extra power does not mean he has to use it. I have seen this whole beginner thing literally hundreds of times in my many years in the motorcycle business and I must truthfully say,the majority of buyers that go small are back within a few months wanting to trade in for a decent sized machine. Unfortunately,they have to bend over and take a big financial loss...The ideal situation would be to buy a bike with perhaps 2,000 miles on it from a mature adult who is the original owner that is in mint condition and a large amount of depreciation has already been absorbed. Craigslist is full of 'em. Good Luck!
 
Originally Posted By: hal2626
When I was a broke kid I rode a Honda 160 20K in one year because it was all I could afford and I did not know any better anyway!


Awesome!

in 1965 my dad rode his Honda 160 from Ft Bragg, NC to Dallas and back just in time to deploy to the Dominican Republic.

My hands were numb for at least an hour after riding my GSF400 from Dallas to Galveston. And I had weighted bar ends and gel-palm gloves. I don't know how he made it on a 160. He must have been numb for a week.
 
Originally Posted By: Spazdog
Originally Posted By: hal2626
When I was a broke kid I rode a Honda 160 20K in one year because it was all I could afford and I did not know any better anyway!


Awesome!

in 1965 my dad rode his Honda 160 from Ft Bragg, NC to Dallas and back just in time to deploy to the Dominican Republic.

My hands were numb for at least an hour after riding my GSF400 from Dallas to Galveston. And I had weighted bar ends and gel-palm gloves. I don't know how he made it on a 160. He must have been numb for a week.
We were built stronger back then!!!
 
Try to remember that all the other vehicles are out to kill you and you do not ever have the right of way no matter what the law says. Ride aware,and have too much fun.
 
Originally Posted By: willix
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Originally Posted By: hal2626
The Suzuki 650 v-twin has only adequate power and is not even in the same ballpark as a 4 cylinder machine. The SV650 is a small light bike and is very close in weight to the little bikes mentioned by many others,and in some cases is much lighter.

SV650 will do 0-60 in under 4 seconds and the 1/4 in under 12. It's faster than a Corvette Z06. I'd hardly call it "only adequate".

I'm sure you have plenty of experience with people getting "bored" with smaller bikes and wanting to upgrade. However the insurance prices and accident statistics clearly point to people being in over their heads on powerful and/or heavy bikes. You can't go wrong starting small.

jeff
 
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Checked out the C50 Suzuki today. Looked so rough, I didn't want to ride it. No wonder they wanted $2500 for it.

Went to my local dealer, told him I was shopping and got his "best" price on his last '09 Vulcan 500. Called a dealer 60 miles away. His price was $900 less without me telling him the other guy's price.

I'll be driving over there in three days or less.
 
uh, ok. Is that supposed to be a retort? You claimed an SV650 had "only adequate" power. According to Cycle World and Motorcyclist, it will do 0-60 in 3.6 and the 1/4 in a hair over 12. Perhaps I should have said "it's almost as fast" a Z06. As for top speed, that's sorta a stupid thing to talk about when discussing "beginner" bikes.

In any case you're splitting hairs. An SV650 with a 200 lb rider has a power to weight ratio (8.85 lbs/hp) similar to a 3,000 lb car with 340+ hp. Is that an "only adequately" powered car?

jeff
 
Originally Posted By: MrCritical
Went to my local dealer, told him I was shopping and got his "best" price on his last '09 Vulcan 500. Called a dealer 60 miles away. His price was $900 less without me telling him the other guy's price.

What price did he quote you (OTD, excl. tax)? I'm looking at an '08 one as I'm not very fond of the red '09s.
 
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