Advice? addressing bad Ford dealer service

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Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
Without a signed repair order, they are not supposed to even touch the car. Ford will not reimburse a dealer for warranty work if there is no customer signature on the RO.


Thanks for this information, bdcardinal. I'm not trying to make trouble for the dealer (I'm on vacation right now and would rather not spend time on this), but I'm not going to be taken advantage of without raising a big stink either.

Did you used to post on the FRT forum years ago? I used to post there and seem to remember your handle.
 
Originally Posted By: terminaldegree
Did you used to post on the FRT forum years ago? I used to post there and seem to remember your handle.


If I did, it wasn't much. I mostly post on SVTPerformance, and StangNet. Always use my same handle, but I have had posts copied on a bunch of forums. There is a discussion board for Ford parts people on the corporate page, I have had posts here copied on there for answering questions. It was pretty cool to say "hey that's me" considering our real names are on there.
 
It seems to me that the dealer has confirmed to you that there was a malfunction in the tranny (metal filings) and as such THAT would be covered by the warranty, even though the tranny was only recently serviced....

They have given you the evidence to hang them by their own petard!
 
Originally Posted By: KitaCam
It seems to me that the dealer has confirmed to you that there was a malfunction in the tranny (metal filings) and as such THAT would be covered by the warranty, even though the tranny was only recently serviced....

They have given you the evidence to hang them by their own petard!


That's what I'm seein here. If you aren't happy with the outcome break out the big guns and get corporate involved.
 
I've found excellent Ford dealers to be the exception rather than the rule. The ones in the Louisville are mediocre at their best and have essentially caused my family to take the brand off of our car shopping list.
 
Originally Posted By: terminaldegree
Hi Bandito,

I'll refrain from naming the dealer…at least until I go to visit them tomorrow and see how it all turns out. If you know the area, let's just say it's a town known for windmills and a big hunking dairy/cheese plant.


Gotcha. You're a bit farther east than me in that case. Anyhow, good luck. I'll check back for an update. Shoot me a PM if I can be of further assistance with anything.
 
Make sure the "metal filings" comment shows up on the work order receipt. Documenting everything is very important in case you need help in the future.

Good luck.
 
I have a suspicion that the "metal filings" are just a ruse- justification for doing the trans service.

However, I can understand the wrench dropping the pan to inspect for issues there, while working to determine the cause of the complaint. Not that it completely justifies what they did though.

I've seen and worked in shops like these before... If you don't explicitly spell out what you want done, they will do everything short of rebuilding the car from the ground up. The shop I left was like that. If you dropped the car off for whatever reason and didn't ask for an estimate, then more often then not the repair bill would send a customer limping out the door. If you wanted an estimate, then that helped, but was no guarantee. If he was wrong in his guess for what was ailing the car (mechs did no diagnostic work) then things would get tacked on to the bill- oftentimes without approval.
 
Originally Posted By: The_Eric
I have a suspicion that the "metal filings" are just a ruse- justification for doing the trans service.

However, I can understand the wrench dropping the pan to inspect for issues there, while working to determine the cause of the complaint. Not that it completely justifies what they did though.


I tend to agree with you, The_Eric - they were just trying to think of something to justify that service charge. I also agree that dropping the pan and servicing the transmission would be a logical first step after noting the problem in a test drive. However, the fact that the transmission was just serviced at a Ford dealer (which was explained to the service advisor by me verbally, and could be seen, plain as day if they bothered to check the OASIS report on the truck) seems not to have registered with anyone. As others have mentioned, having a dealer representative say "we found metal in the pan" does significantly strengthen my warranty argument, though!

I have looked up my rights in New York state and it appears the DMV licenses repair shops and has a customer "bill of rights". The dealer didn't exactly follow this to the letter or spirit of those guidelines, in my opinion. Thanks for that tip.

Again, I'm hoping that a little pressure properly applied will achieve a suitable result. I don't relish the thought of spending more vacation time having to register a complaint here, the NY state DMV, the BBB, yelp, google reviews, dealerrater, Edmunds, and checking to see if the dealership has a Facebook page to write them a note...
 
Lesson I take from this, if one mentions anything other than specific service desired, the last thing said is, 'if you think I need anything else DO NOT proceed without my approval first via a phone call.'

Beyond that, here it looks like you also need to specify what type of oil, which to me seems really bogus. MC SynBlend should be default oil, not synthetic oil. And what I find ironic is the Ford nationwide 'The Works' promo currently being advertised for ~$30 after rebate as the link below shows. It includes

• Synthetic Blend Oil Change (5qts)
• Tire Rotation and Pressure Check
• Brake Inspection
• Multi-Point Inspection
• Fluid Top-Off
• Battery Test
• Filter Check
• Belts and Hoses Check.

Extra qt MCSB of oil shouldn't be much.

All things considered, 'imo' think the stealer saw an out of town mark and decided to work his magic.

Ford The Works Vehicle Check Up
 
Originally Posted By: The_Eric
I have a suspicion that the "metal filings" are just a ruse- justification for doing the trans service.


I agree!

And what does L/O/F mean?

In so far as "Ford" transmissions being bad, my 1995 Escort still has it's original automatic transmission at over 222K miles.
 
Originally Posted By: terminaldegree

I have looked up my rights in New York state and it appears the DMV licenses repair shops and has a customer "bill of rights". The dealer didn't exactly follow this to the letter or spirit of those guidelines, in my opinion. Thanks for that tip.

Again, I'm hoping that a little pressure properly applied will achieve a suitable result. I don't relish the thought of spending more vacation time having to register a complaint here, the NY state DMV, the BBB, yelp, google reviews, dealerrater, Edmunds, and checking to see if the dealership has a Facebook page to write them a note...


The best recourse you have is to first speak to the $tealership
service manager, but with the additional information you have provided I think you need to speak with the owner or general manager of the store. Don't speak to them on the phone make an appointment to see the individual in person so you can look them straight in the eye, my guess is that the shady quality of the service you received starts at the top and you need to let the owner know that you are determined to get all service fees you did not specifically request charged back to your credit card ( you did use a credit card correct?) and if they refuse you will be filing a complaint with Ford Corporate. This should be enough to get them to do the right thing. I'd be surprised if this $tealer is a member of the local BBB considering the shady behavior of the place. If the store is not the BBB can do little for you.

Also like others have mentioned make sure the comment about metal shavings in the pan are noted on the RO, if they are not, which wouldn't surprise me because I agree also that the mention of this was an excuse to charge you for a trans fluid exchange.

If you used a CC you can dispute the charges with the issuing bank . I'm sure they will charge all those bogus things back with what you have stated.
 
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Originally Posted By: KitaCam
Originally Posted By: terminaldegree
The_Eric said:
I don't relish the thought of spending more vacation time having to register a complaint here,


Just call Ford corp. FROM THE DEALER...


Agreed, make sure that the $tealer service manager, general manager or owner are present.
 
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
What if they try and put a 'mechanic's lien' on his truck ???



Honestly I don't think they are going to try because if the OP is accurate it appears that they have scammed him from the start. Once Ford Corporate, and the CC company get involved the business could get into serious trouble. They COULD lose their franchise and or could be charged with fraudulent billing on the part of the CC, if they are a $hady, but $mart $tealership they will just eat the charges and forget about this one, he is NOT going to be a sucker, and they know that plenty more will be along in the future, but they can't $windle them if they are run out of business by a customer that fights back. right?
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UPDATE and final outcome:

After a couple phone calls to the dealer that bordered on irately angry (my wife, who technically owns the truck took the info from this thread and went after them like a maniac), no resolution and the dealer didn't really budge much from the original total $$ amount.

Then, we called the customer assistance number at Ford. An operator listened to us for a minute or two, then we were passed through to a customer care person who listened well, took a detailed report, was reasonably sympathetic, and kept us on hold while she called the servicing dealer to get their side of the story. We didn't get what we wanted in terms of a resolution (the service advisor and I disagreed about whether a transmission service was requested by me at the time of drop-off), but the customer care person was able to show us the warranty language online, and walked us through it carefully. Unbelievably, programming the Powertrain Control Module is NOT covered by the power train warranty - just about everything else is, though.

By that point, we're resigned to being ok paying for the transmission reprogramming and the oil change/tire rotation. We're still not ok with the transmission service and filter. So, we call up my childhood friend from up here and he drives us an hour to the dealership.

Finally a little luck at the dealership-- this dealer is owned by a family who have a summer home next door to my dad's. Two of the brothers have upper-level positions there, and I finally run into both of them on my way in the door. We catch up for a minute, and then one of them comes into the office with me and immediately eats the transmission service, due to the communication (estimate, repair order, and authorization) issues. We agree to pay for the synthetic oil change (he was going to eat half of that, too, but I'll just run a longer OCI this time) and the transmission programming. The labor rate in this shop is really low for a dealer, so the final total isn't all that bad.

I'm not happy, but I'm satisfied with the end result. I'm not one of those guys who likes to "pull rank" and cash in the "I know the owner" card, but in this case it's the only way this was going to be satisfactorily resolved without getting a lot of other people involved, and a lot more of our time. It's amazing how one weak link in the chain can ruin an entire dealer experience.

The truck drives and shifts well - even better than before, save for a couple of dirty clothes stains on the driver's seat… THANK YOU ALL for your suggestions and input - I'm better equipped to handle the dealer experience next time, for sure. (Until then, back to doing all my own service/maintenance whenever possible!)
 
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