97 Taurus sohc v6 Exxon Superflow 10w30 2200 miles

[Santo Fontana]

This car gets mostly highway miles. The car was usually in vermont and the oil was in service for the coldest months of this past winter. 10w30 seemed to do allright with no abnormal sounds on startup. Motorcraft oil filter and relatively new fram air filter (Ill have to check for leaks). 87K on car at end of OCI.

aluminum...2
chromium...1
iron.......11
copper.....3
lead.......3
tin........0
moly.......40
nickel.....0
manganese..0
silver.....0
titanium...0
potassium..0
boron......53
silicon....16
sodium.....2
calcium....2333
magnesium..70
phosphorus.780
zinc.......981
barium.....2

sus vis @ 210f.....57.3 (58-65)
flashpoint.........415f (should be >370)
fuel............... antifreeze.........0
water..............0
insolubles.........0.4

 

[Motorbike]

Santo , That is a good report there guy !

Hey , look how Exxon/Mobil now uses Moly , Boron and Magnesium in this low cost oil .

Probably just a matter of time till the Mobil Drive Clean dino is built similar

 

[Schmoe]

Hmmmmmm...here we have a 10W-30 weighted oil used in Maine where it's cold as-all-get-out but yet the sample comes back looking spectacular. Weren't there many of you out there that swore by the "it's too thick for that temperature and your UOA's will look horrible" crowd? With temperatures that cold, this engine looks pretty dang good, even with that mileage. You think these numbers could have gotten better with a 5W-30 or so oil? Probably not. Still think the best AW agents out there are ZDP, Mo and B. This makes me feel good about that thought.

 

[ToyotaNSaturn]

This report surprises me as the oil has sheared out of grade only in 2200 miles, and it's the 10w variety, not the 5w type where we would expect to see more shearing. I would switch to a more robust 10w-30 oil, with or without Moly and/or Boron and resample.

 

[MNgopher]

Actually the oil didn't shear out of grade (though it did shear down nearly to a 20 weight.). It comes out at around 9.5 cst, 9.3cst is the floor on 30 weights. Never ever use Blackstone's "normal" range as a guide to being in or out of grade. I don't have a clue as to what they call normal, as it does not correspond to any standard classification of viscosity. A good example is they will call several brands 5w20's as being abnormally thin when NEW by their scale, when they are closer to the middle of the allowed viscosity range.

For 2200 miles, I give this a ho hum. I'd hope for lower numbers with this few miles. I certainly wouldn't give it the overall endorsement that 10w30 oil is doing better than a 5w30 could under the cicumstances. Also note the miles were highway miles - not a lot of cold starts there.

 

[Santo Fontana]

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Originally posted by Motorbike:
Santo , That is a good report there guy !

Hey , look how Exxon/Mobil now uses Moly , Boron and Magnesium in this low cost oil .

Probably just a matter of time till the Mobil Drive Clean dino is built similar

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Actually this oil is pretty old. It has been sitting around for about 6 months so I decided to use it in the Taurus, which is my sisters car. She drives the car from MAss to Vermont and back. She drives very fast, even though I tell her to slow it down I can tell by how soon she gets home. I know this car regularly sees over 100 mph. Thats why I didnt sweat the 10w30 too much. I also bought her some good tires.

So with the rediculously low temps and her driving I decided to change it out at 2200. I didnt bother changing the oil though. I agree with MNgopher though, this isnt an amazing report, although the tech at Blackstone sure thought it was.

 

[Jelly]

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Originally posted by Schmoe:
Weren't there many of you out there that swore by the "it's too thick for that temperature and your UOA's will look horrible" crowd?

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Yep, there are many guys on the board that constantly tell us this...

What do you all who share this "viewpoint" have to say??

 

[Cutehumor]

here's the specs from exxonmobil web site

Exxon superflo

5w-30 10w-30
@40c 62 70
@100c 10.4 10.4
hths 3.1 3.1
pour pt -30 C -33 C

 

[buster]

Jelly, this oil is already down to a 9.3cSt oil so it is thin.

I don't think this report would be as good on a 15w-40 oil either, do you? Cold start up wear would be higher, especially Maine,of all places.

 

[Jelly]

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Originally posted by buster:
Jelly, this oil is already down to a 9.3cSt oil so it is thin.

I don't think this report would be as good on a 15w-40 oil either, do you? Cold start up wear would be higher, especially Maine,of all places.

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C'mon now Buster...I didn't deserve that, did I? Ok, ok...to be fair, I've busted your chops a few times in regards to some oils, so I guess I had the 15w-40 cheap shot coming.

...All in the name of fun though

Seriously though, I was commenting about how this guy ran a MINERAL 10w-30 in a MA winter and returned a very good analysis report.

If this guy came on here before this past winter and said he was gonna run this oil, MANY people on here would have made the poor guy think he'd blow his engine up if he dared to run such an oil. At the minimum, a great deal on here would have said his analysis would have been dismal at best.

This analysis just goes to show that you don't have to run a 0w or 5w synthetic to have good engine protection in cold temp. operation.

 

[Motorbike]

Well Jelly your the one who has said you have a ultra distaste for ISLAC GF-3 dinos and would never ever use one of them PERIOD

and here you are giving one of those exact oils kudos ....imagine that .

Can't have it both ways Jelly , or can you

Now please don't go off like in the past...we got some pretty good facts going here and they are you have a disgust for starburst oils ....and now this one is ok .Hmmmmmmmm

Whats up with that anyway .....got a fever or cold or is there a full moon ?

He He

BTW , Santo came here asking no questions and is a synlube user of the Amsoil 5w-30 type

Looks like he knows how to lube a motor in winter to me and in another post of his he spoke about how he educated his sister to listen for the death rattle from cold start

http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=005328

http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000960

[ April 22, 2004, 06:56 PM: Message edited by: Motorbike ]

 

[Jelly]

Guess I can have it both ways, huh...

Seriously though, like you mentioned, I've stated I would never use a PCEO mineral oil and I stick by that statement. I just can't get around to liking them. It's either HDEO's or synthetic PCEO's for me.

I'm a fan of MAXIMUM ENGINE PROTECTION, and like thicker viscosities...hydrodyanmic lubrication is the best form, although a fluid film is harder to flow through and has more inherent resistance, thus why low-vis oils have better fuel economy (among other reasons). I also like HIGH HT/HS VALUES and MAXIMUM ENGINE CLEANLINESS. These few reasons alone are why I like HDEO's and PCEO synthetic lubes.

All I'm saying here is that you don't need a 0w or 5w synthetic oil for good analysis results in COLD operating conditions. Period!

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Originally posted by Motorbike:
Well Jelly your the one who has said you have a ultra distaste for ISLAC GF-3 dinos and would never ever use one of them PERIOD

and here you are giving one of those exact oils kudos ....imagine that .

Can't have it both ways Jelly , or can you

Whats up with that anyway .....got a fever or cold ?

BTW , Santo came here asking no questions and is a synlube user of the Amsoil 5w-30 type

Looks like he knows how to lube a motor in winter to me and in another post of his he spoke about how he educated his sister to listen for the death rattle from cold start

http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=005328

http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000960

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[Patman]

Jelly when Bob first started this site he too believed in the thicker 15w40 oil, and ran it in his 95 Escort. But then he tried running 5w30 and his wear numbers came down considerably. After that, he changed his way of thinking and realized that thicker is not always better. Every engine is different, but most of them do show their best wear with a 30wt.

 

[Jelly]

quote:

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Originally posted by Patman:
Jelly when Bob first started this site he too believed in the thicker 15w40 oil, and ran it in his 95 Escort. But then he tried running 5w30 and his wear numbers came down considerably. After that, he changed his way of thinking and realized that thicker is not always better. Every engine is different, but most of them do show their best wear with a 30wt.

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Patman,

What does this thread have anything to do with 15w-40's?

All this thread was about is that this guy ran a 10w-30 mineral oil and returned good analysis results showing that you don't need a low-vis synthetic oil for good engine wear in COLD temps.

If you all want to do is constantly talk about my liking of HDEO's in general and high-viscosity synthetic oils like M1 15w-50, then why don't you start up a new topic instead of bringing it up here when I mentioned nothing about them in the first place?

Jelly.

[ April 22, 2004, 08:00 PM: Message edited by: Jelly ]

 

[Santo Fontana]

Motorbike gets the reading comprehension award

 

[Patman]

Jelly, you opened the door to the talk of 15w40s when you mentioned this:

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I'm a fan of MAXIMUM ENGINE PROTECTION, and like thicker viscosities...hydrodyanmic lubrication is the best form, although a fluid film is harder to flow through and has more inherent resistance, thus why low-vis oils have better fuel economy (among other reasons). I also like HIGH HT/HS VALUES and MAXIMUM ENGINE CLEANLINESS. These few reasons alone are why I like HDEO's and PCEO synthetic lubes.

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[Jelly]

quote:

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Originally posted by Patman:
Jelly, you opened the door to the talk of 15w40s when you mentioned this:

quote:

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I'm a fan of MAXIMUM ENGINE PROTECTION, and like thicker viscosities...hydrodyanmic lubrication is the best form, although a fluid film is harder to flow through and has more inherent resistance, thus why low-vis oils have better fuel economy (among other reasons). I also like HIGH HT/HS VALUES and MAXIMUM ENGINE CLEANLINESS. These few reasons alone are why I like HDEO's and PCEO synthetic lubes.

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Ok...you win!

 

[Patman]

It's all good though, I do believe your advice on the 15w40s does hold true for a few engines out there, at least for summertime/warm weather. Certainly the higher mileage older design domestic engines for sure.

It's just not an oil I'd be able to use myself, since I prefer one oil for all year round.

 

[Jelly]

quote:

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Originally posted by Patman:

It's all good though, I do believe your advice on the 15w40s does hold true for a few engines out there, at least for summertime/warm weather. Certainly the higher mileage older design domestic engines for sure.

It's just not an oil I'd be able to use myself, since I prefer one oil for all year round.

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Yep, I'm a fan of "one oil for all year" too, and a great deal of the country just shouldn't run a mineral 15w-40 year-round PERIOD! The first time I used a 15w-40 in the winter in a road-going vehicle was this past winter and while are winters are nothing in comparison to yours, we did have one 0F day. Of course, I wanted to see what the truck would do with the "thick" oil, so I started her up even though I had no where to go at the moment.

Truck turned over very, very slowly, but made absolutely no startup noise, which very much impressed me. Even if there was virtually no fluid flim present on startup, it seems as if the HEAVY DUTY additive package really got the job done until a hydrodynamic package. Does this mean a 15w-40 is ideal for these conditions? By all means...NO! But it just goes to show that a gas engine originally specifing 5w-30 (4.3L V6) can be ran on a 15w-40 in cold temps without self destructing...

One thing that gets me though is that these people on the board that give me flack for my 15w-40 recommendations have never tried them in their own vehicle (given they have an appropriate vehicle to use such an oil...I don't believe I've ever recommended a HDEO for a engine that shouldn't use such a weight...).

Like I've said before, every person I've recommended an HDEO has been very happy and I haven't heard anything bad. Mostly notably, they instantly notice a smoother, quiter running engine.

I just wish more people would give them a try (as long as you have an "eligible" engine and temperature) and see for yourself how they really do...think you'll be impressed.

In return though, I'll definitely try to recommend some more PCEO syn-lubes to "even" things out a little.

You won't be able to get me to recommend any PCEO mineral lubes though...

[ April 23, 2004, 11:15 AM: Message edited by: Jelly ]

 

[Schmoe]

Jelly, FWIW, I use that HDEO religiously in my boat, the 3.0 Mercruiser gasser and really like the way it holds the oil pressure after a hard run. Engine still looks like the day I bought it and that was in '96.