2000 windstar 3.8L v6 mix M1/ M1HM 10w30 13k miles

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con't from https://tinyurl.com/y2k3d379 severity 1 (normal). 95% highway. 3rd oc with m1. topped off with 1.5Q M1HM 5w30. Amsoil Eao034 filter. 17 months in service. Found a TAN/ TBN cross over moment. All prior oil fills (besides FF factory fill) are Amsoil product code names.
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OIL             	M1&M1HM 10W30	M1&M1HM 10w30	M1 10w30	ATM 10W30	ATM 10W30	ATM 10W30	ATM 10W30	ATM 10W30	ATM 10W30	ATM 10W30 	ATM 10W30	ATM 10W30	ATM 10W30	ATM 10W30	ATM 10W30	ATM 10W30	ASL 5W30	HDD 5W30	HDD 5W30	HDD 5W30	TSO 0W30	TSO 0W30	TSO 0W30	HDD 5W30	TSO 0W30	FF
MILES(TIME IN USE)    	13.3K		11.1k		8129		15K		10.3K 		11.5K		9K		17.1k		9.9K		8K		3.4K		14.6K		12.9K		3.8K		11.8K		6K		8.4K		14.9K		13.4K		2.6K		11.3K		27.5K		18.9K		13.9K		9688		1716
O&F CHANGED     	Y		Y		Y		Y		N		Y		Y		Y		Y		Y		N		Y		N		N		Y		N		Y		N		Y		N		Y		Y		N		Y		Y		Y
MILES           	264.1K		250.8K		239.7K		231.5K		227K		207K		195K		186K		169K		159K		154K		151K		149K		140K		136K		131K		125K		109K		94K		83K		81K		69K		61K		41.8K		27.1K		1716
MAKEUP OIL		1.5		1.5		.5		1		0		0		0		1		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		1		0		0		0				1		1		0		2		0
SAMPLE TAKEN    	18-JUN-19	12-JAN-18	14-JUL-16	16-DEC-15	7-JUL-15	28-MAY-13	31-JUL-12	21-DEC-11	18-AUG-10	17-FEB-10	31-AUG-09	30-APR-09	25-FEB-07	9-NOV-06	8-OCT-06	28-FEB-06	19-NOV-05	2-SEP-03	21-DEC-02	30-JUL-02	18-JUL-02	22-MAR-02	31-JAN-02	6-JUL-01	11-SEP-00	19-NOV-99
LAB             	OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI		OAI

IRON            	28		27		29		25		17		21		13		24		18		14		8		21		15		5		19		13		41		62		111		16		49		91		63		48		45		36
CHROMIUM        	1		1		0		1		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		2		2		0		0		2		1		1		1		0
NICKEL         		1		2		1		1		0		1		1		1		0		1		0		1		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		1		3		2		1		2		1
ALUMINUM		3		2		2		4		4		3		1		7		3		3		1		3		2		2		7		3		8		10		14		9		10		6		12		9		12		9
COPPER  		8		10		5		13		9		8		4		10		7		6		12		8		10		4		15		8		17		42		55		9		22		4		20		14		24		131
LEAD    		2		3		1		3		2		1		1		5		3		2		1		5		9		0		5		1		6		17		21		3		8		7		7		8		6		9
TIN     		1		1		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		1		0		1		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		1		2		2		3		2		1		1
CADMIUM 		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0																0		0		0		0		0		0		0
SILVER			0		0		0		1		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0
VANADIUM		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0
SILICON			16		17		17		22		20		34		23		37		43		32		18		13		18		11		24		21		20		40		27		9		27		37		37		50		54		139
SODIUM			5		4		3		7		7		8		7		11		8		7		5		10		9		0		11		0		0		14		13		2		3		6		5		5		5		10
POTASSIUM       	2		2		1		4		1		2		0		0		0		1		1		1		0		0		0		0		0		0		0				
TITANIUM		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0
MOLYBDENUM		98		92		94		175		176		151		151		60		54		53		51		48		51		50		3		1		3		7		7		0		5		10		7		5		8		0
ANTIMONY		1		0		0		1		0		1		0		0		0		0		0		0		
MANGANESE		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0																1		1		1		1		1		1		4
LITHIUM			0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		1		
BORON           	47		44		56		61		61		55		79		61		101		152		221		89		117		215		29		57		43		1		1		32		34		39		36		21		45		104
MAGNESIUM       	931		820		700		18		18		18		16		16		16		26		24		84		115		103		923		908		783		43		108		34		395		351		338		46		353		69
CALCIUM			1345		1255		1490		4104		4109		3580		3686		3534		3203		3349		3414		3098		3360		3246		2717		2652		2716		3930		4249		4333		3132		3147		3181		4345		3181		2237
BARIUM          	0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		5		0		0		0		0		0		0		5
PHOSPHOROUS    		794		726		731		703		736		657		599		653		645		640		697		614		694		615		894		1093		1051		1165		1073		1216		1242		1239		1293		1267		1243		1160
ZINC			934		869		852		892		867		777		687		817		782		755		853		790		958		936		1255		1391		1283		1279		1299		1355		1569		1541		1515		1348		1536		1392
	      
WATER         		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0
cSt @ 212ºF   		12.1		11.8		11.3		12.5		11.9		11.7		11.3		13.1		11.6		11.5		10.9		15.2		13.06		11.65		15.95		13.79		13.55		16.13		15.27		11.5		16.7		16		13.5		15.9		11.5		9.5
FUEL          		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		0		1.2
TAN			3.32		2.68		2.81		4.08		3.34		N/R		N/R		N/R		N/R		N/R		N/R		N/R		N/R		N/R		N/R		N/R		N/R		N/R		N/R		N/R		N/R		N/R		N/R		N/R		N/R		N/R	
TBN           		3.21		4.2		4.28		3.09		3.27		3.34		3.42		2.79		4.02		4.29		4.91		3.88		4.78		9.92		4.54		6.75		7.01		4		9.4		12.8		6		7.9		8.4		8.7		8.1		5.7
OXIDATION     		17		15		16		59		57		56		56		57		57		44		41		15		32		25		30		24		16		14		23		23.3		14.4		27.8		20		33.3		10		12.2
NITRATION     		14		13		12		15		14		16		16		33		26		24		21		17		24		20		27		17		19		9		14		14.3		31.4		50		40		35.7		22.9		11.4


 

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Good data stream! You're nearly to a point where true, real stdev can be understood. 26 samples; only 4 more to go! So far, it's not too bad for those old Essex 3.8L engines. They are not the most long-lived as a species, but yours seems to be doing OK. In fact, all the wear metals are fairly typical from a macro sense. These engines just shed more metals than others. Here's your wear data in terms of ppm/1k miles: (note - I took out the FF data because it was skewing the rest) avg; stdev 2.9; 3.9 IRON 0.0; 0.0 CHROMIUM 0.1; 0.1 NICKEL 0.6; 1.1 ALUMINUM 1.4; 14.7 COPPER 0.4; 1.0 LEAD I again caution ... you're a few samples shy of meaningful statistical stability in terms of stdev, but you're far closer than most anyone else I've seen on BITOG. You cannot state which of the oil products did best, because the number of samples for each choice are far too few, but overall, you can assess the general health of the engine, and know it's true nature of variation once the 30th sample is complete. Keep it up!
 
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Pure [censored] (MHO). You have no way of knowing if the Lab testing method changed over time (a secret that a lab probably keeps closely guarded), repeated seasonal diviations (i.e. 2 summers -Vs- 1 fall, winter, spring, or driving habits (hwy/city). Those are major deviations that you simply can't measure honestly and do affect oil wear. Just saying IMO...
 
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