$71,000 for a Pickup Truck !?
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Originally Posted By: Red91
You can still buy a truck. Most people don't want "just a truck" anymore. Most people who buy a truck don't have a use for it. I'm looking at a plain jane Ram 1500 Tradesman now. It's one color with black bumpers and steel wheels. Most people won't even look at it on their way to the Big Horn.
Unless you can get a screaming deal on the plain one, I would at least get the $500 chrome bumper/grille/alum wheel package.
You can still buy a truck. Most people don't want "just a truck" anymore. Most people who buy a truck don't have a use for it. I'm looking at a plain jane Ram 1500 Tradesman now. It's one color with black bumpers and steel wheels. Most people won't even look at it on their way to the Big Horn.
Unless you can get a screaming deal on the plain one, I would at least get the $500 chrome bumper/grille/alum wheel package.
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
If I were to ever need a genuine work truck to do "real work",it'd be a bare bones truck that I could literally open the doors,get a water hose,and spray out the entire interior. I couldn't imagine using a vehicle for actual work/labor and having to worry about getting the luxury interior dirty or destroying some expensive leather!
A towing company I know of has all their trucks pretty loaded. Their repo truck is an Laramie complete with power leather seats...because the owner couldn't get a King Ranch chassis cab.
About 650,000 miles on it, as I recall.
If I were to ever need a genuine work truck to do "real work",it'd be a bare bones truck that I could literally open the doors,get a water hose,and spray out the entire interior. I couldn't imagine using a vehicle for actual work/labor and having to worry about getting the luxury interior dirty or destroying some expensive leather!
A towing company I know of has all their trucks pretty loaded. Their repo truck is an Laramie complete with power leather seats...because the owner couldn't get a King Ranch chassis cab.
About 650,000 miles on it, as I recall.
Originally Posted By: TiredTrucker
What is truly sad is how these pickups are priced. I bought a 2013 Freightliner semi truck, air ride suspension, air ride seats with 7 way adjustment, surround sound stereo with dedicated weather bands for all of NOAA weather channels, built in refrigerator / freezer, premium interior with premium noise abatement and arctic insulation package, and nice stand up sleeper with hanging clothes closet, two multi shelf cabinets, and wrap around airline stye cabinets, and 120AC outlets. 500 hp 1750 lb torque motor driving twin drives axles thru an Eaton 18 speed transmission. Total cost, ready to drive off and go to work.... 115K. For some pickup to cost even half of that is criminal. But, the market will charge what it can get.
What would a more basic one run...cloth seats, no surround sound, 9-speed trans, steel wheels, no carpet?
What is truly sad is how these pickups are priced. I bought a 2013 Freightliner semi truck, air ride suspension, air ride seats with 7 way adjustment, surround sound stereo with dedicated weather bands for all of NOAA weather channels, built in refrigerator / freezer, premium interior with premium noise abatement and arctic insulation package, and nice stand up sleeper with hanging clothes closet, two multi shelf cabinets, and wrap around airline stye cabinets, and 120AC outlets. 500 hp 1750 lb torque motor driving twin drives axles thru an Eaton 18 speed transmission. Total cost, ready to drive off and go to work.... 115K. For some pickup to cost even half of that is criminal. But, the market will charge what it can get.
What would a more basic one run...cloth seats, no surround sound, 9-speed trans, steel wheels, no carpet?
Originally Posted By: Silverado12
Originally Posted By: Red91
You can still buy a truck. Most people don't want "just a truck" anymore. Most people who buy a truck don't have a use for it. I'm looking at a plain jane Ram 1500 Tradesman now. It's one color with black bumpers and steel wheels. Most people won't even look at it on their way to the Big Horn.
Unless you can get a screaming deal on the plain one, I would at least get the $500 chrome bumper/grille/alum wheel package.
I would pay an extra $500 to NOT get that.
Originally Posted By: Red91
You can still buy a truck. Most people don't want "just a truck" anymore. Most people who buy a truck don't have a use for it. I'm looking at a plain jane Ram 1500 Tradesman now. It's one color with black bumpers and steel wheels. Most people won't even look at it on their way to the Big Horn.
Unless you can get a screaming deal on the plain one, I would at least get the $500 chrome bumper/grille/alum wheel package.
I would pay an extra $500 to NOT get that.
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Big egos required a big truck or SUV.
So so right. I live here in TX and you will see folks living in 100K homes and have large ugly trucks with clean beds parked in their driveways, there is no use for these trucks in city limits. Its fine if they are used in farms and construction but for an average joe, 12-14MPG on the 1T ugly trucks doesn't cut it. I find them obnoxious and stupid to drive these trucks when they are not using them for what they were built for. Many if not most seem to have poor self esteem with huge egos. The bigger the better.
Much worse women driving these truck based SUVs to match their partners.
Americans have lousy auto habits (if they didn't how could the big three sell 2M trucks excl. truck based SUVs every year) and have thin memory when it comes to oil prices and saving up for retirement!!
Big egos required a big truck or SUV.
So so right. I live here in TX and you will see folks living in 100K homes and have large ugly trucks with clean beds parked in their driveways, there is no use for these trucks in city limits. Its fine if they are used in farms and construction but for an average joe, 12-14MPG on the 1T ugly trucks doesn't cut it. I find them obnoxious and stupid to drive these trucks when they are not using them for what they were built for. Many if not most seem to have poor self esteem with huge egos. The bigger the better.
Much worse women driving these truck based SUVs to match their partners.
Americans have lousy auto habits (if they didn't how could the big three sell 2M trucks excl. truck based SUVs every year) and have thin memory when it comes to oil prices and saving up for retirement!!
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Originally Posted By: CT8
Originally Posted By: RedOakRanch
The USA has never been about what's the minimum that will do, and I hope it never will be!
Let hope so but there are many socialist ,Marxist types spawning these days.
I never said the government should own the truck. I never said we all should own the truck as communal property.
Originally Posted By: RedOakRanch
The USA has never been about what's the minimum that will do, and I hope it never will be!
Let hope so but there are many socialist ,Marxist types spawning these days.
I never said the government should own the truck. I never said we all should own the truck as communal property.
Originally Posted By: SEMI_287
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Big egos required a big truck or SUV.
Or a tiny...
Like my signature says...we've got a 2007 Toyota Tundra crewcab. Bought it when we had our son. (it replaced a Ford Ranger)
One day my wife had taken it to the store to do grocery shopping. Keep in mind, my wife is about 5' 5", maybe 120 pounds. On the way out from the store she's following a "fruit and granola" looking couple. The couple's car is past the truck.
As they walk past it...the woman in the couple says: "I hate big trucks. They use so much gas. I bet it's driven by a man with a tiny ego." (okay, so that's not exactly what she said, you get the point.)
My wife hears this and says: "It's my truck and it matches my big [censored] attitude!"
They scuttled off like a pair of cockroaches.
Don't judge the driver by the vehicle.
FWIW, I've got to fight my wife for the Tundra sometimes...she loves it.
Of course, this is the same woman who, when driving the Mustang in the signature, will race teenage boys in their rice-rockets at redlights, beat them, slow down so they can catch up, and insult their masculinity.
later,
ben
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Big egos required a big truck or SUV.
Or a tiny...
Like my signature says...we've got a 2007 Toyota Tundra crewcab. Bought it when we had our son. (it replaced a Ford Ranger)
One day my wife had taken it to the store to do grocery shopping. Keep in mind, my wife is about 5' 5", maybe 120 pounds. On the way out from the store she's following a "fruit and granola" looking couple. The couple's car is past the truck.
As they walk past it...the woman in the couple says: "I hate big trucks. They use so much gas. I bet it's driven by a man with a tiny ego." (okay, so that's not exactly what she said, you get the point.)
My wife hears this and says: "It's my truck and it matches my big [censored] attitude!"
They scuttled off like a pair of cockroaches.
Don't judge the driver by the vehicle.
Of course, this is the same woman who, when driving the Mustang in the signature, will race teenage boys in their rice-rockets at redlights, beat them, slow down so they can catch up, and insult their masculinity.
later,
ben
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Originally Posted By: Silverado12
Originally Posted By: Red91
You can still buy a truck. Most people don't want "just a truck" anymore. Most people who buy a truck don't have a use for it. I'm looking at a plain jane Ram 1500 Tradesman now. It's one color with black bumpers and steel wheels. Most people won't even look at it on their way to the Big Horn.
Unless you can get a screaming deal on the plain one, I would at least get the $500 chrome bumper/grille/alum wheel package.
I would pay an extra $500 to NOT get that.
Chrome don't get you home LOL.
Originally Posted By: Silverado12
Originally Posted By: Red91
You can still buy a truck. Most people don't want "just a truck" anymore. Most people who buy a truck don't have a use for it. I'm looking at a plain jane Ram 1500 Tradesman now. It's one color with black bumpers and steel wheels. Most people won't even look at it on their way to the Big Horn.
Unless you can get a screaming deal on the plain one, I would at least get the $500 chrome bumper/grille/alum wheel package.
I would pay an extra $500 to NOT get that.
Chrome don't get you home LOL.
Originally Posted By: MaximaGuy
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Big egos required a big truck or SUV.
So so right. I live here in TX and you will see folks living in 100K homes and have large ugly trucks with clean beds parked in their driveways, there is no use for these trucks in city limits. Its fine if they are used in farms and construction but for an average joe, 12-14MPG on the 1T ugly trucks doesn't cut it. I find them obnoxious and stupid to drive these trucks when they are not using them for what they were built for. Many if not most seem to have poor self esteem with huge egos. The bigger the better.
Much worse women driving these truck based SUVs to match their partners.
Americans have lousy auto habits (if they didn't how could the big three sell 2M trucks excl. truck based SUVs every year) and have thin memory when it comes to oil prices and saving up for retirement!!
And yet...you drive a large SUV. Hypocrite.
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Big egos required a big truck or SUV.
So so right. I live here in TX and you will see folks living in 100K homes and have large ugly trucks with clean beds parked in their driveways, there is no use for these trucks in city limits. Its fine if they are used in farms and construction but for an average joe, 12-14MPG on the 1T ugly trucks doesn't cut it. I find them obnoxious and stupid to drive these trucks when they are not using them for what they were built for. Many if not most seem to have poor self esteem with huge egos. The bigger the better.
Much worse women driving these truck based SUVs to match their partners.
Americans have lousy auto habits (if they didn't how could the big three sell 2M trucks excl. truck based SUVs every year) and have thin memory when it comes to oil prices and saving up for retirement!!
And yet...you drive a large SUV. Hypocrite.
Originally Posted By: TiredTrucker
What is truly sad is how these pickups are priced. I bought a 2013 Freightliner semi truck, air ride suspension, air ride seats with 7 way adjustment, surround sound stereo with dedicated weather bands for all of NOAA weather channels, built in refrigerator / freezer, premium interior with premium noise abatement and arctic insulation package, and nice stand up sleeper with hanging clothes closet, two multi shelf cabinets, and wrap around airline stye cabinets, and 120AC outlets. 500 hp 1750 lb torque motor driving twin drives axles thru an Eaton 18 speed transmission. Total cost, ready to drive off and go to work.... 115K. For some pickup to cost even half of that is criminal. But, the market will charge what it can get.
It's no different than construction or farm equipment. A track hoe half the size is well over half the cost of its larger counterpart, 2/3 is probably a closer estimate.
I have to laugh at the belittlement and judgement you guys have for the decisions people make. How does it affect you what your peers choose to buy? Do you redicule someone for buying a larger or nicer home than they need or a 30k dollar motorcycle or a luxury sedan? If they can afford to buy it they're obviously working for it, its their money and their choice. If you want to assimilate move to a communist country. This is the land of the FREE.
Jealousy is toxic, try not to poison yourselves with it too much.
What is truly sad is how these pickups are priced. I bought a 2013 Freightliner semi truck, air ride suspension, air ride seats with 7 way adjustment, surround sound stereo with dedicated weather bands for all of NOAA weather channels, built in refrigerator / freezer, premium interior with premium noise abatement and arctic insulation package, and nice stand up sleeper with hanging clothes closet, two multi shelf cabinets, and wrap around airline stye cabinets, and 120AC outlets. 500 hp 1750 lb torque motor driving twin drives axles thru an Eaton 18 speed transmission. Total cost, ready to drive off and go to work.... 115K. For some pickup to cost even half of that is criminal. But, the market will charge what it can get.
It's no different than construction or farm equipment. A track hoe half the size is well over half the cost of its larger counterpart, 2/3 is probably a closer estimate.
I have to laugh at the belittlement and judgement you guys have for the decisions people make. How does it affect you what your peers choose to buy? Do you redicule someone for buying a larger or nicer home than they need or a 30k dollar motorcycle or a luxury sedan? If they can afford to buy it they're obviously working for it, its their money and their choice. If you want to assimilate move to a communist country. This is the land of the FREE.
Jealousy is toxic, try not to poison yourselves with it too much.
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Originally Posted By: MaximaGuy
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Big egos required a big truck or SUV.
So so right. I live here in TX and you will see folks living in 100K homes and have large ugly trucks with clean beds parked in their driveways, there is no use for these trucks in city limits. Its fine if they are used in farms and construction but for an average joe, 12-14MPG on the 1T ugly trucks doesn't cut it. I find them obnoxious and stupid to drive these trucks when they are not using them for what they were built for. Many if not most seem to have poor self esteem with huge egos. The bigger the better.
Much worse women driving these truck based SUVs to match their partners.
Americans have lousy auto habits (if they didn't how could the big three sell 2M trucks excl. truck based SUVs every year) and have thin memory when it comes to oil prices and saving up for retirement!!
Who cares? If people can afford it that's their business, if someone doesn't like it they should keep their mouths shut.
Let people enjoy their lives the way they see fit as long as they are paying the bill.
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Big egos required a big truck or SUV.
So so right. I live here in TX and you will see folks living in 100K homes and have large ugly trucks with clean beds parked in their driveways, there is no use for these trucks in city limits. Its fine if they are used in farms and construction but for an average joe, 12-14MPG on the 1T ugly trucks doesn't cut it. I find them obnoxious and stupid to drive these trucks when they are not using them for what they were built for. Many if not most seem to have poor self esteem with huge egos. The bigger the better.
Much worse women driving these truck based SUVs to match their partners.
Americans have lousy auto habits (if they didn't how could the big three sell 2M trucks excl. truck based SUVs every year) and have thin memory when it comes to oil prices and saving up for retirement!!
Who cares? If people can afford it that's their business, if someone doesn't like it they should keep their mouths shut.
Let people enjoy their lives the way they see fit as long as they are paying the bill.
Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: MaximaGuy
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Big egos required a big truck or SUV.
So so right. I live here in TX and you will see folks living in 100K homes and have large ugly trucks with clean beds parked in their driveways, there is no use for these trucks in city limits. Its fine if they are used in farms and construction but for an average joe, 12-14MPG on the 1T ugly trucks doesn't cut it. I find them obnoxious and stupid to drive these trucks when they are not using them for what they were built for. Many if not most seem to have poor self esteem with huge egos. The bigger the better.
Much worse women driving these truck based SUVs to match their partners.
Americans have lousy auto habits (if they didn't how could the big three sell 2M trucks excl. truck based SUVs every year) and have thin memory when it comes to oil prices and saving up for retirement!!
Who cares? If people can afford it that's their business, if someone doesn't like it they should keep their mouths shut.
Let people enjoy their lives the way they see fit as long as they are paying the bill.
Let them complain, I enjoy people outing themselves as idiots.
Originally Posted By: MaximaGuy
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Big egos required a big truck or SUV.
So so right. I live here in TX and you will see folks living in 100K homes and have large ugly trucks with clean beds parked in their driveways, there is no use for these trucks in city limits. Its fine if they are used in farms and construction but for an average joe, 12-14MPG on the 1T ugly trucks doesn't cut it. I find them obnoxious and stupid to drive these trucks when they are not using them for what they were built for. Many if not most seem to have poor self esteem with huge egos. The bigger the better.
Much worse women driving these truck based SUVs to match their partners.
Americans have lousy auto habits (if they didn't how could the big three sell 2M trucks excl. truck based SUVs every year) and have thin memory when it comes to oil prices and saving up for retirement!!
Who cares? If people can afford it that's their business, if someone doesn't like it they should keep their mouths shut.
Let people enjoy their lives the way they see fit as long as they are paying the bill.
Let them complain, I enjoy people outing themselves as idiots.
Why do trucks get so much negativity? If a guy spends $70,000 on a Mustang, nobody says a negative word. Every negative comment about the truck in this thread would apply to a Mustang. A stripped V6 would get you there. A big V8 is wasteful and ego driven. Unless you race to work, they never get driven for what they were designed to do. I never hear people call Mustang GTs a bro car.
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Originally Posted By: Silverado12
Originally Posted By: Red91
You can still buy a truck. Most people don't want "just a truck" anymore. Most people who buy a truck don't have a use for it. I'm looking at a plain jane Ram 1500 Tradesman now. It's one color with black bumpers and steel wheels. Most people won't even look at it on their way to the Big Horn.
Unless you can get a screaming deal on the plain one, I would at least get the $500 chrome bumper/grille/alum wheel package.
I would pay an extra $500 to NOT get that.
No you wouldn't.
Originally Posted By: Silverado12
Originally Posted By: Red91
You can still buy a truck. Most people don't want "just a truck" anymore. Most people who buy a truck don't have a use for it. I'm looking at a plain jane Ram 1500 Tradesman now. It's one color with black bumpers and steel wheels. Most people won't even look at it on their way to the Big Horn.
Unless you can get a screaming deal on the plain one, I would at least get the $500 chrome bumper/grille/alum wheel package.
I would pay an extra $500 to NOT get that.
No you wouldn't.
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Originally Posted By: Silverado12
Originally Posted By: Red91
You can still buy a truck. Most people don't want "just a truck" anymore. Most people who buy a truck don't have a use for it. I'm looking at a plain jane Ram 1500 Tradesman now. It's one color with black bumpers and steel wheels. Most people won't even look at it on their way to the Big Horn.
Unless you can get a screaming deal on the plain one, I would at least get the $500 chrome bumper/grille/alum wheel package.
I would pay an extra $500 to NOT get that.
The bumpers I have seen, the black ones, do not appear to hold up. Not unless if rust brown is a suitable color. Might not rust off but sure does not look good.
Originally Posted By: Silverado12
Originally Posted By: Red91
You can still buy a truck. Most people don't want "just a truck" anymore. Most people who buy a truck don't have a use for it. I'm looking at a plain jane Ram 1500 Tradesman now. It's one color with black bumpers and steel wheels. Most people won't even look at it on their way to the Big Horn.
Unless you can get a screaming deal on the plain one, I would at least get the $500 chrome bumper/grille/alum wheel package.
I would pay an extra $500 to NOT get that.
The bumpers I have seen, the black ones, do not appear to hold up. Not unless if rust brown is a suitable color. Might not rust off but sure does not look good.
Originally Posted By: whip
Why do trucks get so much negativity? If a guy spends $70,000 on a Mustang, nobody says a negative word. Every negative comment about the truck in this thread would apply to a Mustang. A stripped V6 would get you there. A big V8 is wasteful and ego driven. Unless you race to work, they never get driven for what they were designed to do. I never hear people call Mustang GTs a bro car.
More fun to rip on trucks I guess. Their owners are not following their part of following the lemmings towards full dependency on the gov, or someone else to do stuff for them (move lumber, trash, stuff, drive through 12+" of snow, whatever). Better to own a car and let others do all that ugly manual work.
Why do trucks get so much negativity? If a guy spends $70,000 on a Mustang, nobody says a negative word. Every negative comment about the truck in this thread would apply to a Mustang. A stripped V6 would get you there. A big V8 is wasteful and ego driven. Unless you race to work, they never get driven for what they were designed to do. I never hear people call Mustang GTs a bro car.
More fun to rip on trucks I guess. Their owners are not following their part of following the lemmings towards full dependency on the gov, or someone else to do stuff for them (move lumber, trash, stuff, drive through 12+" of snow, whatever). Better to own a car and let others do all that ugly manual work.
Originally Posted By: MaximaGuy
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Big egos required a big truck or SUV.
So so right. I live here in TX and you will see folks living in 100K homes and have large ugly trucks with clean beds parked in their driveways, there is no use for these trucks in city limits. Its fine if they are used in farms and construction but for an average joe, 12-14MPG on the 1T ugly trucks doesn't cut it. I find them obnoxious and stupid to drive these trucks when they are not using them for what they were built for. Many if not most seem to have poor self esteem with huge egos. The bigger the better.
Much worse women driving these truck based SUVs to match their partners.
Americans have lousy auto habits (if they didn't how could the big three sell 2M trucks excl. truck based SUVs every year) and have thin memory when it comes to oil prices and saving up for retirement!!
I'm not quite sure what you are railing against... I guess it is someone owning a cheap home so they can own vehicles they want?
I suppose it is odd to have an equal value of automobiles in the driveway as the house.
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Big egos required a big truck or SUV.
So so right. I live here in TX and you will see folks living in 100K homes and have large ugly trucks with clean beds parked in their driveways, there is no use for these trucks in city limits. Its fine if they are used in farms and construction but for an average joe, 12-14MPG on the 1T ugly trucks doesn't cut it. I find them obnoxious and stupid to drive these trucks when they are not using them for what they were built for. Many if not most seem to have poor self esteem with huge egos. The bigger the better.
Much worse women driving these truck based SUVs to match their partners.
Americans have lousy auto habits (if they didn't how could the big three sell 2M trucks excl. truck based SUVs every year) and have thin memory when it comes to oil prices and saving up for retirement!!
I'm not quite sure what you are railing against... I guess it is someone owning a cheap home so they can own vehicles they want?
I suppose it is odd to have an equal value of automobiles in the driveway as the house.
Some of the Ford Super Duty Lariats with the 6.7L diesel push past $80k. Add in dual rear wheels and its even more. It makes no sense to buy one of those here since the winter salt rusts out vehicles in 8 years now.
I used to think German cars were the most expensive to own, but these trucks have them beat. Outrageous initial purchase price, expensive to maintain and very expensive to run. With the emissions controls they get about the same mileage as gas trucks, and the fuel is more expensive. Repairs and maintenance will cost you more than any German vehicle. Tires are fun to buy with the 20" wheels, the exhaust system from the down pipe back (with all the emissions stuff) runs about $10,000 and the turbos have been failing on a lot of them with the ceramic bearings. If it fails out of warranty that's a few grand right there.
I used to think German cars were the most expensive to own, but these trucks have them beat. Outrageous initial purchase price, expensive to maintain and very expensive to run. With the emissions controls they get about the same mileage as gas trucks, and the fuel is more expensive. Repairs and maintenance will cost you more than any German vehicle. Tires are fun to buy with the 20" wheels, the exhaust system from the down pipe back (with all the emissions stuff) runs about $10,000 and the turbos have been failing on a lot of them with the ceramic bearings. If it fails out of warranty that's a few grand right there.
Originally Posted By: MaximaGuy
So so right. I live here in TX and you will see folks living in 100K homes and have large ugly trucks with clean beds parked in their driveways, there is no use for these trucks in city limits.
Yes...and?
Do these owners not have a right to spend their own money as they see fit? Should truck ownership be prohibited if one lives in an apartment or townhome?
BTW, many PU owners in "the city" head to the beaches, woods or lakes on the weekends. Any problem with that???
So so right. I live here in TX and you will see folks living in 100K homes and have large ugly trucks with clean beds parked in their driveways, there is no use for these trucks in city limits.
Yes...and?
Do these owners not have a right to spend their own money as they see fit? Should truck ownership be prohibited if one lives in an apartment or townhome?
BTW, many PU owners in "the city" head to the beaches, woods or lakes on the weekends. Any problem with that???
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