6L80E Fresh rebuild and already failed

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The transmission in my Yukon. Got it back from the shop in April, but worked literally every day since May 10th, so just now got to troubleshooting it. Symptoms are a slight flare into third, and a harsh 5th gear engagement, especially at fluid temps below 135 degrees. There is a cross leak between the 1/2/3/4 circuit and the 3/5/R circuit. Taking it back in tomorrow. Hopefully they don't give me a hard time for air checking it myself.

 
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The 1234/35R drum assembly can be challenging, Early 6L units like yours had issues with this drum cracking.
1234/35R sealing rings on the stator need to match the stator design & be oriented correctly.
It’s a brand new loaded drum straight from GM. I assume it’s a sealing ring issue. Probably just ask them to swap in a new updated pump cover at this rate even if I have to pay for it.
 
Was this a shop that rebuilds transmissions in house or gets them from a supplier? How much did they charge for the job?
It was at one of the more reputable shops in my area, and it was my original trans that was rebuilt. $4k with several Sonnax upgraded parts included. I wish I could have done it myself, but the right shoulder isn't what it used to be.
 
Did you check how much an AC Delco reman would cost? Most come with a 3 year 100,000 mile warranty.
You Bet. $3100 + 7.75% tax my cost with a $2000 core for a SRTA unit. I wouldn't have gotten the piston that helps prevent 4/5/6 clutch coning and a few other minor upgrades. I would still have needed to get it installed which runs about $1200 in my area. The warranty would have been better no doubt, but with the wife and I working different schedules, this shop being 4 blocks from work was very convenient. They have also been very good to work with so far.
 
A GM reman won't have the Sonnax upgrade parts just like a Ford reman won't have them.
Not sure what those are, but the original lasted him over 200K and AC Delco does include improvements as they come along. Plus the independent shops don't have the advanced equipment for rebuilding and testing that a re-manufacturer does. If they did, they would have caught the issues OP is experiencing BEFORE the transmission was installed back in the vehicle. Now they will have to R&R it all over again and eat those costs plus the fix it's needs. I'm sure they will try and do it as quick as possible and probably take some short cuts along the way. Not a good situation for both parties.
 
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Not sure what those are, but the original lasted him over 200K and AC Delco does include improvements as they come along. Plus the independent shops don't have the advanced equipment for rebuilding and testing that a re-manufacturer does. If they did, they would have caught the issues OP is experiencing BEFORE the transmission was installed back in the vehicle. Now they will have to R&R it all over again and eat those costs plus the fix it's needs. I'm sure they will try and do it as quick as possible and probably take some short cuts along the way. Not a good situation for both parties.
I nursed it to get there. It had a broken wave plate in the 2/6 clutch pack for some time, and the 4/5/6 clutches were coned significantly and completely used up. I do agree with your points presented, especially catching it before it left, though a vacuum tester and simple blow gun for air checking are not expensive, and any reputable shop should invest in the tools to prevent comebacks.
 
I do agree with your points presented, especially catching it before it left, though a vacuum tester and simple blow gun for air checking are not expensive, and any reputable shop should invest in the tools to prevent comebacks.
You really need a transmission dyno to test the rebuild in simulated on-road conditions. Not sure what they cost, 6 figures?, so few independent shops will have one. 15 years ago my 94 Cadillac Fleetwood needed a transmission. I was going take it and put it back in to save as much money as possible. The local shops wanted $800 to $1200 to rebuild it, but what happens if it doesn't work right? Even if they repair it, I would still have to take it out and put it back in. Not fun with car on jack stands in my driveway. Got an AC Delco for $1250 instead knowing it would be fully tested before leaving the factory. Been fine ever since.
 
You really need a transmission dyno to test the rebuild in simulated on-road conditions. Not sure what they cost, 6 figures?, so few independent shops will have one. 15 years ago my 94 Cadillac Fleetwood needed a transmission. I was going take it and put it back in to save as much money as possible. The local shops wanted $800 to $1200 to rebuild it, but what happens if it doesn't work right? Even if they repair it, I would still have to take it out and put it back in. Not fun with car on jack stands in my driveway. Got an AC Delco for $1250 instead knowing it would be fully tested before leaving the factory. Been fine ever since.
I've been on both sides. I've rebuilt quite a few for myself and others, and had shops do the rebuild with my installation. A lot of Turbo 350s and 400s from a local shop back in the day when we actually had a 1/4 mile track here, to the 200-4R I got from Bowtie Overdrives that I currently run in the Nova now. I wanted more than just a stock rebuild configured to the original factory specifications, with the factory weaknesses. Honestly I believe these transmissions have a lot to be desired in the shift quality department. Even the 6L90 in my work truck is too soft and sometimes erratic. Once the cross leak is fixed, I will dial it in with HP Tuners and be on my way. If it blows up, I'll just fix it again. A waste of money? Sure. But if I've got to have a vice, this is it.

We just put a SRTA 6L80 in a 2016 Silverado at work last month. It did work right out of the crate, but I was a little disappointed in the physical appearance. A poor cleaning of the case covered up with silver spray paint was less than I expected.

Two of the Sonnax parts I used below:


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Billet 1/2/3/4 piston.
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The 1234/35R drum assembly can be challenging, Early 6L units like yours had issues with this drum cracking.
1234/35R sealing rings on the stator need to match the stator design & be oriented correctly.
Would I be correct to assume there should be zero leakage through the 1/2/3/4 feed port when air is aplied to 3/5/R circuit?
 
I just watched your video, You definitely have issues, Thought I heard the 1234 circuit leak as well & it's one of the tightest clutch applies in the unit when assembled correctly.
The 35R apply circuit has a bleed hole in the drum, But I could clearly see fluid coming out the 1234 apply hole.
 
I just watched your video, You definitely have issues, Thought I heard the 1234 circuit leak as well & it's one of the tightest clutch applies in the unit when assembled correctly.
The 35R apply circuit has a bleed hole in the drum, But I could clearly see fluid coming out the 1234 apply hole.
You heard correct. There is a minor leak at the 1/2/3/4, and air bleeds into the 1/2/3/4 from the 3/5/R initially, and it seals up with a little pop after a second or two. They did put a Sonnax billet 1/2/3/4 piston in at my request. Do you think it more likely a sealing ring issue causing a cross leak, or the swapping of the piston?
 
I'm thinking Sealing Ring, These have O-ring supports under the Rings to force an initial seal against the drum. I've seen quite a few without the O-rings installed.

There's a special tool to air check the Drum separately....That way, When you air check through the Stator there's no confusion.

Speaking of the Stator Support....There is a gasket between it & the Pump Cover, In the RARE case I build a 6LxxE with a usable pump....I replace the gasket 100%. GM states to never remove the Stator Support from the Pump Cover. A good/square Arbor Press will do it drama free!
 
I'm thinking Sealing Ring, These have O-ring supports under the Rings to force an initial seal against the drum. I've seen quite a few without the O-rings installed.
And now you get to see another. I figured you would get it right, without even seeing the unit.

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I went ahead and replaced everything in front of the 3/5/R drum and used the updated pump cover. Shifts like a dream now. I disabled TCC apply in third, and removed most of the commanded slip from the other gears. Is there anything else you recommend tuning wise for longevity?
 
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