I’ll 2nd this. MVAR, mewbs and BrendanC and others o forgot are 115% top of the mark guys
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I’ll 2nd this. MVAR, mewbs and BrendanC and others o forgot are 115% top of the mark guys
The Endurance & Amsoil are the same filter. This particular Amsoil filter had sloppy glue & slightly less media by one pleat. I’d venture a guess that if I did 10 of each they’d average out to even.
I can’t disagree but from what I learned from chatting with OVERKILL; Donaldson gets my vote. When I hit 10k I’ll flip a quarter and decide to chop it or run it 15k or….
I’ve previously stated that I’m also a fan of the Donaldson synthetic media. Big fan actually. I’m not a fan of the ADBV in this filter & the core shift/warpage wasn’t great either but likely won’t impact filtering. It’s also rated at 17 micron instead of 20.
Donaldson synthetic filters saved me a bunch of headaches at a former power plant I worked at. Was all in on the Amsoil filters when they had the contract with Donaldson for sole automotive usage of that media. Wish they would have kept that going.
Another fail from fram on the ultra/titanium. Not even surprising anymore.
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I was looking at the Boss filters on the shelf but decided I was spending enough on what I already had to cut openand yet purolator didn’t make the cut for the top filter
Thank you for the contribution to BITOG!!! Without all of us doing c&p’s we’d be blindly making filter decisions.
The new style ultra/titanium have been a no go for me period. I’ve also noticed the Endurance/Amsoil getting sloppy. My biggest concern has been the threads. The sloppy glue is a sign of bad craftsmanship but probably doesn’t effect performance. I’d use only after close inspection. Donaldson looks great but I don’t think they fit my applications.
Luckily I can still get OG titaniums for my vehicles. PG is still killing it on quality control and are my second choice.
The new style ultra/titanium have been a no go for me period. I’ve also noticed the Endurance/Amsoil getting sloppy. My biggest concern has been the threads. The sloppy glue is a sign of bad craftsmanship but probably doesn’t effect performance. I’d use only after close inspection. Donaldson looks great but I don’t think they fit my applications.
Luckily I can still get OG titaniums for my vehicles. PG is still killing it on quality control and are my second choice.
My main complaint with the Donaldson is the ADBV not sealing, at all. Once I finish this cup of coffee & walk the dog, I’ll go take a look at the remaining Donaldson to see if it seals better. From what @Mewbs has stated, it sounds like it might be a poor ADBV. Wish it was a silicone one with better fitment.
Just got back from walking my dog. Decided to go ahead and check the second Donaldson for ADBV sealing. Well, it’s just as bad as the first one. Didn’t cut it open.
Also checked the second Fram Ti. It sealed up perfectly, just like the first. Was still curious about the lack of glue holding the first one together so decided to cut it open. This one did have additional glue holding it together but had another major issue. I’ll show below:
Both backup filter after checking ADBV seal but prior to cutting:
After cutting Fram Ti, while removing media it separated at this pleat with almost zero effort. Zooming in, it looks as though it was only fully attached at the top of the media & the cellulose had severely weakened at the fold. I have serious doubts this media wouldn’t have allowed unfiltered oil to leak by.
Additional glue seen at base of center tube that the original lacked:
Still a bit shy on the adhesive for all of the media to end cap though:
Final pic of second Fram Ti minus the can:
If Donaldson would use this base plate and ADBV from the Fram Ti, or the bypass, base plate & ADBV from a Motorcraft filter, it would be the best filter on the market & likely by a wide margin.
Also checked the second Fram Ti. It sealed up perfectly, just like the first. Was still curious about the lack of glue holding the first one together so decided to cut it open. This one did have additional glue holding it together but had another major issue. I’ll show below:
Both backup filter after checking ADBV seal but prior to cutting:
After cutting Fram Ti, while removing media it separated at this pleat with almost zero effort. Zooming in, it looks as though it was only fully attached at the top of the media & the cellulose had severely weakened at the fold. I have serious doubts this media wouldn’t have allowed unfiltered oil to leak by.
Additional glue seen at base of center tube that the original lacked:
Still a bit shy on the adhesive for all of the media to end cap though:
Final pic of second Fram Ti minus the can:
If Donaldson would use this base plate and ADBV from the Fram Ti, or the bypass, base plate & ADBV from a Motorcraft filter, it would be the best filter on the market & likely by a wide margin.
Sorry to hear about the Donaldsons, I would’ve expected better from them, especially considering how much they cost.
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Xerox called and wants their paper back - been saying the same thing about the XG’s …
They were the least expensive of this bunch at $10/ea
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They're cheaper in cases of 12, about 6 dollars a piece, making them a good option if high efficiency short term filtration is good enough.
The ADBV cooks itself open probably influencing leakdown. But so far I haven't had problems yet. 1/2 second of oil pressure delay might not be a big deal on ignition as it disspears right before the RPM needle hits 2000 before dipping down on idle after a cold start.
Anyways, guess here if you look carefully there are spot weld dimples on the back of the baseplate, you can see the ADBV radial seat mark that overlaps it. Seems to me there has been a design oversight. But since oil filters usually go through ADBV testing it must have passed the test or met a minimum leak down spec.
Fram Ti for comparison(both of them):
Hard to say if filters are re-ran through a test like the ADBV leak down test when a slight design change is made. That does look like a design oversight, leading to leakage past the ADBV.But since oil filters usually go through ADBV testing it must have passed the test or met a minimum leak down spec.
I just left a message with Donaldson about the ADBV sealing issue. Couldn’t attach photos to the form but requested an engineer or technician respond if they wish to see the issue.
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Thank you, keep us updated! Would be nice to have a Donaldson rep here on the forums. Though it boggles me they are not into the light duty market since Amsoil OEM days.
