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No sweat mate...now go throw some shrimp on the barbie.
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Sh1t a brick that is cold!!!!I guess you don't need a fridge.
Maybe get hold of Brian for some of that 0w-10 oil....
-19 was just the temp. Windchill made it feel like -30 and below. Get your mind around that
Honda recommends a "waschactieves Ol" and that translates to "detergent oil" in 10w30 viscosity, API-SJ quality for my car (well.. engine).
The oil (Shell Helix Ultra X-0W-30 API-SL ACEA A5/B5) I'm using now, is, in my honest opinion, as good or better.
Thanks for your concern though
Btw.. I've run a search on BITOG on "detergent oil" and have not been able (but that could be me
At first I thought there was something lost in translation from Japanese to German as my manual is in the German language but the English manual is using the same words.
And I would like to add:
Waschactieves?
Yeah mate, Fair Dinkum!
Waschactieves?
Yeah mate, Fair Dinkum!
Patman, I concur with the others re: rpms observed. You need to remember, the Honda is not the 10L pushrod V-8 in your vette with 1000ft-lbs. at 10rpm.
2k rpms on a Honda engine is probably akin to ~500 on the GM. In other words, the parts are much more free-wheeling. The parts spin up much easier, so the actual number can be misleading. Different engine designs.
But, I definately don't understand the idle crowd either. Yesterday, -20C at 9AM. Drive off immediately...especially when driving slowly eg. around the block a couple times warms the engine (and hence interior) faster than idleing for twice as long.
2k rpms on a Honda engine is probably akin to ~500 on the GM. In other words, the parts are much more free-wheeling. The parts spin up much easier, so the actual number can be misleading. Different engine designs.
But, I definately don't understand the idle crowd either. Yesterday, -20C at 9AM. Drive off immediately...especially when driving slowly eg. around the block a couple times warms the engine (and hence interior) faster than idleing for twice as long.
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Yep, and when it's sunny outside (which it usually is when it's that cold, since clear skies are when it gets the coldest overnight) your interior gets pretty warm as soon as you are in the direct sunlight anyhow.
You must have a cush job if you can wait for the sun to warm your car in the morning and keep it warm when you leave from work at the end of the day.
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Btw.. I've run a search on BITOG on "detergent oil" and have not been able (but that could be me) to find anything that explaines it.
At first I thought there was something lost in translation from Japanese to German as my manual is in the German language but the English manual is using the same words.
Any oil that meets modern API specs (SH, SJ, SL, SM) is a detergent oil. As opposed to non-detergent oils, which are probably not API certified at all, or if they are they will be SA or SB. I think you'd have to look pretty hard to find non-detergent oil and it should be specifially labelled as such. It would probably be straight weight too, not 5W30 or whatever.
I don't care about idleing too long....had the block heeater turn on at 2.30 AM and I fired up the heap at 5.00 AM then let it run for 5 minutes with heat on full blast till I put my sorry #@$%! in it to go to work!It's too fargin cold so I'll just change ther oil more often...call me a wimp
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You must have a cush job if you can wait for the sun to warm your car in the morning and keep it warm when you leave from work at the end of the day.
I'm not exactly "waiting" for the sun to warm my car, when I start and immediately go, my route to work is eastbound, so the sun is shining right in my front window and my interior gets pretty warm pretty quick that way (black leather!)
Coming home from work isn't a problem either, as I've got underground parking, and it's never below freezing down there even if it's 0F outside. Plus I drive home into the sun again too.
Patman, you should install a block heater into the Civic. Cheap and easy to install - no hammering out a freeze plug a la some domestics...simply unscrew the drain plug for the block and screw the block heater in it's place.
If that VW has the AEG motor in it (that's what I had in my Beetle) - it's an ancient design motor - mine sounded very 'industrial' when first started, and also never idled super high. I did notice with that motor however, that it took a good 12-15km of highway driving to get the oil around 200-212f. I dunno if it was because of the coolant to oil cooler or what.
Dunno how to edit - I have a block heater in my 2006 Odyssey and in the brutal cold we've recently had here in Ontario, it immediately idles at 1200rpm when started. Block heater comes on 2hrs before I need the vehicle/3hrs if it's below -15.
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My wife's car is only parked outside overnight about twice a week though, the rest of the week it's parked in the garage overnight. So it doesn't see the coldest temps as often as my car does.
Besides, I could see my wife forgetting to unplug the block heater and then driving off!
Yep, the starter drags a bit for the morning start. A few have been in the single digits F. I 've switched to 10W40 for the winter. RPM is about 1k for a few seconds then drops to its ususal 600rpm. If it has snowed or frosted, I'll warm the car up to defrost it. But 1st, I blip the throttle to 1100 rpm to turn on the alternator. I have a 4 mile drive to the highway to get the engine to temperature before I enter the stream at 65 mph. No funny noises resulting from this regimen, I am up to 341 K miles
Just to add to the discussion, I have read (though I don't remember where) that many japanese vehicles rev relatively highly when cold conditions are detected. It was my understanding that this was not designed for improved lubrication, but instead for emissions reasons.
The intention as I understood it was to get the catalytic converter heated up as soon as possible to regularize/reduce emissions from cold starting sooner.
I think I may have read this on a Toyota board, as I was asked to research this for my father. He has an 06 Tacoma and was alarmed at the idle speed at start up in cold conditions. Many Toyota owners seemed to be as well.
I guess it's not a big deal to those south of the border, but up here in the great white north, we can have a significant number of mornings at -30c (not including wind-chill). This is the best justification for 0w-30/20 synthetics that I know of.
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