229.5 vs 229.6 (2022 versions)

cachaca said:
Interesting.
MotoMaster has a 0W-40 marketed as OE Plus European Formula, whereas their fully synthetic 5W-40 doesn't have any of that on the bottle. Both meet 229.5 tho. Then there's Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5w-40 ofc.

Shell feels like a screwy company to deal with, putting the same oil in a bunch of different bottles with a bunch of different labels and claims on each one. Like, before we spoke, if I was choosing a MotoMaster oil for my car, I'd probably choose the one marked for European cars, instead of the 5w, or just grab the Pennzoil brand one with Euro on the label.
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You are wasting money if PPE 5W40 is more expansive than Motomast.
Your call. Who cares what they pack in what.
 
edyvw said:
You are wasting money if PPE 5W40 is more expansive than Motomast.
Your call. Who cares what they pack in what.
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Well, I know Shell also makes Quaker State, and that Quaker State doesn't use the same base oil as Pennzoil,

Seeing as MotorMaster, Shell Helix Ultra and Quaker State don't list being GTL on their bottles, but Pennzoil does makes me suspect, the MM, QS and Helix Ultra are all the same, but Pennzoil is different. Unless you have proof otherwise. (And, this is why I find repackaging annoying.)

In the end, they're all 229.5, so we're really splitting hairs here, but still.
 
cachaca said:
Well, I know Shell also makes Quaker State, and that Quaker State doesn't use the same base oil as Pennzoil,

Seeing as MotorMaster, Shell Helix Ultra and Quaker State don't list being GTL on their bottles, but Pennzoil does makes me suspect, the MM, QS and Helix Ultra are all the same, but Pennzoil is different. Unless you have proof otherwise. (And, this is why I find repackaging annoying.)

In the end, they're all 229.5, so we're really splitting hairs here, but still.
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Your money and car, your call.
 
cachaca said:
Well, I know Shell also makes Quaker State, and that Quaker State doesn't use the same base oil as Pennzoil,

Seeing as MotorMaster, Shell Helix Ultra and Quaker State don't list being GTL on their bottles, but Pennzoil does makes me suspect, the MM, QS and Helix Ultra are all the same, but Pennzoil is different. Unless you have proof otherwise. (And, this is why I find repackaging annoying.)

In the end, they're all 229.5, so we're really splitting hairs here, but still.
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It it says PurePlus Technology then it's GTL. Helix does say such a thing.

QS and Shell aka Penzoil are not the same. In that video is shows they're not the same.
 
cachaca said:
Well, I know Shell also makes Quaker State, and that Quaker State doesn't use the same base oil as Pennzoil,

Seeing as MotorMaster, Shell Helix Ultra and Quaker State don't list being GTL on their bottles, but Pennzoil does makes me suspect, the MM, QS and Helix Ultra are all the same, but Pennzoil is different. Unless you have proof otherwise. (And, this is why I find repackaging annoying.)

In the end, they're all 229.5, so we're really splitting hairs here, but still.
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Shell helix ultra have Pure plus on the bottle, that means its GTL
 
BMWTurboDzl said:
It it says PurePlus Technology then it's GTL. Helix does say such a thing.

QS and Shell aka Penzoil are not the same. In that video is shows they're not the same.
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That's why I posted that video. QS is made by Shell, but it is not GTL. MotorMaster is also made by Shell, and according to the Canadian Tire Q&A team, it's not a GTL either. Not sure about the MotoMaster OEPlus range.

All that is to say, that Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5w-40 and MotoMaster Syn 5w-40 are probably not the same. The OEPlus range is only available in 0w-30, 0w-40, and 0w-50, so that's probably not rebranded Pennzoil or Shell Helix either, tho idk what it is yet.

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My AMG performance center dealership puts 5w30 229.52 in my Amg's. If the dealer is worth a **** they will know what Affalterbach wants in every engine.
 
cachaca said:
Shell feels like a screwy company to deal with, putting the same oil in a bunch of different bottles with a bunch of different labels and claims on each one. Like, before we spoke, if I was choosing a MotoMaster oil for my car, I'd probably choose the one marked for European cars, instead of the 5w, or just grab the Pennzoil brand one with Euro on the label.
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Castrol does the same thing. 5W-40 edge in turbo diesel or other are exactly the same oil.
 
cachaca said:
Recieved a reply from Mercedes itself in Germany on the difference between 229.6 and 229.5, so this should clear everything up! Right?View attachment 241602
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It was clear from the start.
229.6 is MB's ACEA A5/B5 spec.
229.5 is the ACEA A3/B4 spec.

Both ACEA spec's revised in 2023. Calling one more modern? Naah would not say so.

A5/B5 is not used much, most manufacturers went to ACEA C2/C5
 
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Reduced oxidative thicken benefits the fuel economy only slightly at the end of extended oil change intervals. Nothing to worry about.
 
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