229.5 vs 229.6 (2022 versions)

[edyvw]

Interesting.
MotoMaster has a 0W-40 marketed as OE Plus European Formula, whereas their fully synthetic 5W-40 doesn't have any of that on the bottle. Both meet 229.5 tho. Then there's Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5w-40 ofc.

Shell feels like a screwy company to deal with, putting the same oil in a bunch of different bottles with a bunch of different labels and claims on each one. Like, before we spoke, if I was choosing a MotoMaster oil for my car, I'd probably choose the one marked for European cars, instead of the 5w, or just grab the Pennzoil brand one with Euro on the label.

You are wasting money if Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5w40 is more expansive than Motomast.
Your call. Who cares what they pack in what.

 

[cachaca]

You are wasting money if Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5w40 is more expansive than Motomast.
Your call. Who cares what they pack in what.

Well, I know Shell also makes Quaker State, and that Quaker State doesn't use the same base oil as Pennzoil,

Seeing as MotorMaster, Shell Helix Ultra and Quaker State don't list being GTL on their bottles, but Pennzoil does makes me suspect, the MM, QS and Helix Ultra are all the same, but Pennzoil is different. Unless you have proof otherwise. (And, this is why I find repackaging annoying.)

In the end, they're all 229.5, so we're really splitting hairs here, but still.

 

[edyvw]

Well, I know Shell also makes Quaker State, and that Quaker State doesn't use the same base oil as Pennzoil,

Seeing as MotorMaster, Shell Helix Ultra and Quaker State don't list being GTL on their bottles, but Pennzoil does makes me suspect, the MM, QS and Helix Ultra are all the same, but Pennzoil is different. Unless you have proof otherwise. (And, this is why I find repackaging annoying.)

In the end, they're all 229.5, so we're really splitting hairs here, but still.

Your money and car, your call.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

Well, I know Shell also makes Quaker State, and that Quaker State doesn't use the same base oil as Pennzoil,

Seeing as MotorMaster, Shell Helix Ultra and Quaker State don't list being GTL on their bottles, but Pennzoil does makes me suspect, the MM, QS and Helix Ultra are all the same, but Pennzoil is different. Unless you have proof otherwise. (And, this is why I find repackaging annoying.)

In the end, they're all 229.5, so we're really splitting hairs here, but still.

It it says PurePlus Technology then it's GTL. Helix does say such a thing.

QS and Shell aka Pennzoil are not the same. In that video is shows they're not the same.

 

[edyvw]

It it says PurePlus Technology then it's GTL. Helix does say such a thing.

QS and Shell aka Pennzoil are not the same. In that video is shows they're not the same.

Shell Helix has several versions of 5W40.
They are actually all Shell Helix.

 

[UNC063]

Well, I know Shell also makes Quaker State, and that Quaker State doesn't use the same base oil as Pennzoil,

Seeing as MotorMaster, Shell Helix Ultra and Quaker State don't list being GTL on their bottles, but Pennzoil does makes me suspect, the MM, QS and Helix Ultra are all the same, but Pennzoil is different. Unless you have proof otherwise. (And, this is why I find repackaging annoying.)

In the end, they're all 229.5, so we're really splitting hairs here, but still.

Shell helix ultra have Pure plus on the bottle, that means its GTL

 

[cachaca]

It it says PurePlus Technology then it's GTL. Helix does say such a thing.

QS and Shell aka Pennzoil are not the same. In that video is shows they're not the same.

That's why I posted that video. QS is made by Shell, but it is not GTL. MotorMaster is also made by Shell, and according to the Canadian Tire Q&A team, it's not a GTL either. Not sure about the MotoMaster OEPlus range.

All that is to say, that Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5w-40 and MotoMaster Syn 5w-40 are probably not the same. The OEPlus range is only available in 0w-30, 0w-40, and 0w50, so that's probably not rebranded Pennzoil or Shell Helix either, tho idk what it is yet.

 

[svenson]

most mercs here in europe suggest 5-40 oils.mb 229.5-51-52

 

[ka9mnx]

QS can be GTL at times and at times it's not. It depends on price but, more importantly, availability.

 

[TurboZedd-R]

My AMG performance center dealership puts 5w30 229.52 in my Amg's. If the dealer is worth a **** they will know what Affalterbach wants in every engine.

 

[svenson]

Since they both have the same HT/HS requirement the grade is functionally irrelevant. Get the cheapest one that carries the approval.

i was wondering when..and just when i thought i haven't read that answer from you . its the answer that ends splitting hairs on bitog

 

[Jetronic]

Shell feels like a screwy company to deal with, putting the same oil in a bunch of different bottles with a bunch of different labels and claims on each one. Like, before we spoke, if I was choosing a MotoMaster oil for my car, I'd probably choose the one marked for European cars, instead of the 5w, or just grab the Pennzoil brand one with Euro on the label.

Castrol does the same thing. 5W-40 edge in turbo diesel or other are exactly the same oil.

 

[cachaca]

Recieved a reply from Mercedes itself in Germany on the difference between 229.6 and 229.5, so this should clear everything up! Right?

 

[Kalle.J]

Recieved a reply from Mercedes itself in Germany on the difference between 229.6 and 229.5, so this should clear everything up! Right?View attachment 241602

It was clear from the start.
229.6 is MB's ACEA A5/B5 spec.
229.5 is the ACEA A3/B4 spec.

Both ACEA spec's revised in 2023. Calling one more modern? Naah would not say so.

A5/B5 is not used much, most manufacturers went to ACEA C2/C5

 

[kschachn]

Recieved a reply from Mercedes itself in Germany on the difference between 229.6 and 229.5, so this should clear everything up! Right?View attachment 241602

What were you looking for?

 

[Daytona]

Reduced oxidative thicken benefits the fuel economy only slightly at the end of extended oil change intervals. Nothing to worry about.

 

[Daytona]

High HT/HS, Low HT/HS, Low Ash, Mid Ash
Pick one of each.

 

[loneryder]

Everything. Just bcs. oil is 0W, doesn’t mean it not actually thicker at certain temperatures than 5W. Thicker=more resistance =more heat.

You are talking minuscule here. You might scare this guy off from 229.5 oils.

 

[cachaca]

You are talking minuscule here. You might scare this guy off from 229.5 oils.

Lol nah. I stuck with 229.5 oils. The benefits of 229.6 don't seem worth it.

I actually switched mechanics last summer, and they use Liqui-Moly exclusively. So, I'm running Leichtlauf High Tech SAE 5W-40 (229.5 approval) in my GLC 43, instead of the OEM oil (which was rebadged Mobil1). While driving with it for almost a year and over two oil changes, I've noticed a significant decrease in oil burn. So, I'll probably stick with it from now on.

 

[RedEnsign]

You are wasting money if Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5w40 is more expansive than Motomast.
Your call. Who cares what they pack in what.

Using google AI brought me to this post. I was making AI search through bitog and other forums, as well as manufacturers pds, to list and compare the data specs and used oil analysis of as many oils as i could think of. Engine is 3.0T(sc). So VW502, 5w40 and 0w40, API SP and SN
Some stats are missing, but Motomaster shares exact same figures in many areas as shell helix and Pennzoil Platinum Euro, both grades. The pour points and flash points in particular are very very good compared to others. Two data specs that shell oils lag in, are htst and cst/100c, from what i can gather so far.
I know you used, and had great results from Castrol 0w40, but it's new SP formula seems not as rich in group IV as before. How do you think these shell 0w40s, or 5w40's, fare in higher horsepower engines? Also, what do you think about API SP vs SN. Most oils on the shelf are SP now, all lower viscosity, but also lower pour points, which hint of higher pao content....is the higher calcium of old SN better in any way than the new SP formulas? What would you recommend for this engine? Thanks.