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Originally Posted By: tig1
I won't infate my tires to that kind of pressure because of the ride quality loss and the likely loss of tire wear.

To make this a bit quantitative, I'll mention that the best research I have seen on the effect of tire pressure upon fuel economy was conducted by Goodyear. They found that each PSI below the placard pressure cost about 0.3% in fuel economy. IIRC, the effect is something like 0.4%/psi for highway, and 0.2%/psi for city. One presumes that going above the placard pressure results in diminishing returns. If your car calls for 32/32, you might increase that to 35/35 to pick up a percent or so. Center wear would be very unlikely at only 10% above the placard pressure.

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As for running 65 MPH, that's danderous when most of the traffic is doing 75-80.

People typically drive 75-80 mph in the right lane in Illinois? I've never been there. That just surprises me. I drive a great deal in New Mexico and Colorado where the Interstate speed limit is 75. People generally drive 70-75 in the right lane. (That lane being the only one you need to care about. The crazo's driving 80+ never leave the left lane except to pass on the right, and there is little you can do about them.)

I have extensive experience (over 100,000 miles) with driving 65 under those conditions, and it's fairly comfortable. Many 18 wheelers are driving 65 mph these days to save on fuel costs.

Here are some Consumer Reports testing results. The difference a few mph makes is substantial, largely due to the fact that wind resistance force increases as the square of velocity, and work to overcome wind resistance increases as the cube of velocity. You asked for 3%. 10 mph might easily get you 10% - 15%.
 
You just made a light bulb go off in my brain with that talk of speed and fuel economy, and particularly with that link to Consumer Reports. The 3-4 MPG difference I saw may have been due to the fact that when first passing through West Virginia, I was careful not to speed. On the way back, however, I was driving much faster. According to what I'm seeing, 3-4 MPG is easily explained given a ~10 MPH difference.
 
Originally Posted By: tig1

I won't infate my tires to that kind of pressure because of the ride quality loss and the likely loss of tire wear.

As for running 65 MPH, that's danderous when most of the traffic is doing 75-80.

When using the cruse I usually gas the pedal manually just before entering a sizeable hill to prevent the transmission from downshifting.


I agree with these statements as well. My tire placard states 32 psi as the recommended pressure (as it did for many past vehicles I've owned). I run 35 psi in those instances - a (possible) small help with fuel economy, a margin above the recommended pressure, in case of small loses between my checks, and no significant change in ride harshness or tire wear.

The prevailing speed of traffic is usually the lowest risk for an accident.

And I don't like to let the cruise control handle hills for me.
 
Originally Posted By: Spockian1
Originally Posted By: tig1
I won't infate my tires to that kind of pressure because of the ride quality loss and the likely loss of tire wear.

To make this a bit quantitative, I'll mention that the best research I have seen on the effect of tire pressure upon fuel economy was conducted by Goodyear. They found that each PSI below the placard pressure cost about 0.3% in fuel economy. IIRC, the effect is something like 0.4%/psi for highway, and 0.2%/psi for city. One presumes that going above the placard pressure results in diminishing returns. If your car calls for 32/32, you might increase that to 35/35 to pick up a percent or so. Center wear would be very unlikely at only 10% above the placard pressure.

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As for running 65 MPH, that's danderous when most of the traffic is doing 75-80.

People typically drive 75-80 mph in the right lane in Illinois? I've never been there. That just surprises me. I drive a great deal in New Mexico and Colorado where the Interstate speed limit is 75. People generally drive 70-75 in the right lane. (That lane being the only one you need to care about. The crazo's driving 80+ never leave the left lane except to pass on the right, and there is little you can do about them.)

I have extensive experience (over 100,000 miles) with driving 65 under those conditions, and it's fairly comfortable. Many 18 wheelers are driving 65 mph these days to save on fuel costs.

Here are some Consumer Reports testing results. The difference a few mph makes is substantial, largely due to the fact that wind resistance force increases as the square of velocity, and work to overcome wind resistance increases as the cube of velocity. You asked for 3%. 10 mph might easily get you 10% - 15%.


The tire pressure spoken of was the max PSI on the side of the tire( 45 PSI in my case) not on the door frame of the vehicle. I run 34 PSI and check it often. As for Illinois the speed limit is 65 MPH so I usually cruse at 69. The rest of the way to Florida, as the trip goes, is 70. On I75 where it is 70, 80 or more is the norm. 65 MPG would be risky in my view.
 
Originally Posted By: tig1
The tire pressure spoken of was the max PSI on the side of the tire( 45 PSI in my case) not on the door frame of the vehicle. I run 34 PSI and check it often.

That is reasonable. You are not going to see a huge difference between 34 and 45.

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As for Illinois the speed limit is 65 MPH so I usually cruse at 69.

Why not at least obey the law?

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On I75 where it is 70, 80 or more is the norm. 65 MPG would be risky in my view.

This is much faster than the average in the Rockies states, where the speed limit is 75, and distances from town to town are unreal compared to where you live. It sounds like the fundamental problem where you drive is lawlessness. It's difficult to imagine the typical average speed in the right lane on an interstate being 10+ mph over the posted limit. And I am inclined to be a bit skeptical regarding that claim.

And "risky"? Don't you think you are overstating even the *potential* level of danger?

Colorado has a particularly communicative approach. They have lots of electronic signs over the roadways, informing folks of "kidnapped child, possibly in a black 2002 Chevy Suburban", etc. A few weeks ago, one of them on I-25, between Fort Collins and Denver said "75mph means 75mph - Thank You".

I like that.
 
Originally Posted By: Spockian1
It's difficult to imagine the typical average speed in the right lane on an interstate being 10+ mph over the posted limit. And I am inclined to be a bit skeptical regarding that claim.


If you ever drive within 50 miles of the city limits of Chicago, you won't have any reason for such skepticism. There be dragons.
 
Originally Posted By: Spockian1

People typically drive 75-80 mph in the right lane in Illinois? I've never been there. That just surprises me.


I've had quite a few memorable trips through Chicagoland, and I can assure that they drive 75-80 mph in the right lane.

And in the left lane.

And in the center lane.

And on the shoulder.

And on the sidewalks.

Driving is a contact sport there.
 
Originally Posted By: A_Harman
Driving is a contact sport there.

Then to the original question, regarding eeking an extra 3% of fuel economy, I would say "Save yourself, and leave that area."

If safety is such a concern in such a place, the answer is to take your family and go.

Now, I'm trying to reconcile this "desperate living" scenario with the expressed concern regarding saving 3% on gasoline usage.
 
another aspect to research is how much low resistance tires could help?

is there any research proving the mpg increase from this kind of tires
 
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Originally Posted By: A_Harman
Originally Posted By: Spockian1

People typically drive 75-80 mph in the right lane in Illinois? I've never been there. That just surprises me.


I've had quite a few memorable trips through Chicagoland, and I can assure that they drive 75-80 mph in the right lane.

And in the left lane.

And in the center lane.

And on the shoulder.

And on the sidewalks.

Driving is a contact sport there.


I was in Chi-town last Aug and don't remember seeing any cars on the sidewalk, but it was Saturday...
 
Man, If I would strictly drive the limit here on I-78 I would be run off the road......
 
Originally Posted By: 123Saab
Man, If I would strictly drive the limit here on I-78 I would be run off the road......



Oh you mean good ole I fly 78?
 
Originally Posted By: tig1
Eddie said:
You will never find a difference in the real world of driving.[/quo

Last Dec I switched to Mobil 1 0w20 from Mobil 1 5w20 Extended Protection. We make 2-3 trips a year to Gainesville, Fl. and I always set the on board mileage minder as I enter the interstate here in Illinois and check it at the Gainesville exit. The best I have ever gotten was 32.6 on the trip down. I always run at 2500 RPM witch is 72 MPH, and this time I got 33.6 MPG.



Keep in mind the wind might've been with you, the humidity could have been lower, maybe a few extra pounds of luggage... lots of ways to explaim 1mpg.
 
Originally Posted By: 123Saab
Man, If I would strictly drive the limit here on I-78 I would be run off the road......

I don't believe you. I strongly suspect that you want to drive faster, and you have found some rationalization for doing so.

Reality check: Nobody has to drive hyper-fast for safety reasons. Think about it.
 
Originally Posted By: Spockian1
Originally Posted By: 123Saab
Man, If I would strictly drive the limit here on I-78 I would be run off the road......

I don't believe you. I strongly suspect that you want to drive faster, and you have found some rationalization for doing so.

Reality check: Nobody has to drive hyper-fast for safety reasons. Think about it.


Im ok with that, I'm aware that my reality is something you dont have to live with on a daily basis so I wont get in to it any deeper.
 
Originally Posted By: Spockian1
Originally Posted By: 123Saab
Man, If I would strictly drive the limit here on I-78 I would be run off the road......

I don't believe you. I strongly suspect that you want to drive faster, and you have found some rationalization for doing so.

Reality check: Nobody has to drive hyper-fast for safety reasons. Think about it.


You're right about hyper fast, but if you're 15 MPH slower than the traffic it can be dangerous. IMMHO.
 
Originally Posted By: A_Harman
Originally Posted By: Spockian1

People typically drive 75-80 mph in the right lane in Illinois? I've never been there. That just surprises me.


I've had quite a few memorable trips through Chicagoland, and I can assure that they drive 75-80 mph in the right lane.

And in the left lane.

And in the center lane.

And on the shoulder.


And on the sidewalks.

Driving is a contact sport there.

Now thats funny i don't care who you are!
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Originally Posted By: Spockian1
Originally Posted By: 123Saab
Man, If I would strictly drive the limit here on I-78 I would be run off the road......

I don't believe you. I strongly suspect that you want to drive faster, and you have found some rationalization for doing so.

Reality check: Nobody has to drive hyper-fast for safety reasons. Think about it.



He`s not kidding...trust me. We have all the nut`s in one place on I-78!
 
Originally Posted By: Smokescreen
If it hasn't already been said, driver habits/attitude contribute over 90% to better fuel economy, without those learned behaviors no oil, aero mods, tire inflating etc etc will make a difference.

They'll still make a difference, even if the overall result isn't as good as it could be.
 
best way to save 3% is to not drive 3% of your miles. Every mile not driven is infinite MPG. Plan or adjust your travel to avoid travel.
But in regards to driving habits, take a look at Toyota's Don't spill the water campaign as the simplest analogue to teach efficient driving. http://www.aglassofwater.org/en

Otherwise back to the point. Between the different oil choices, there isn't going to be enough of a difference to account for price so pick the cheapest one.
Save your money elsewhere; Calculate out where your expenses really are going and then attack the biggest component rather then scrapping over the last penny in a component that is already optimized.

For example, even within car expenses, if you call up Geico and save your 15% that's going to overwhelmingly put more money into your pocket than a difference in oil choice.
 
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