Quite the bit of logic you put together there.
2027 Chevrolet Bolt - Revealed
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I'm not sure if this is trolling or what, but like... next you're going to tell me that I like EVs because I'm (three letter word).
On a more serious note, people like different things. Have you driven or been driven in a good EV? They're QUICK... that's plenty exciting. You know what else is exciting? Waking up every morning with a "full tank" and never needing to go get gas. Oh and no need for oil changes. Brakes last forever.
As for the environmental impact, EVs are the only cars that get cleaner over time. As the grid and renewables improve, the "fuel" used to power it gets cleaner and cleaner. While you're gas car either uses the same amount of gas it did when new or potentially more as it ages.
It's already proven that EVs are environmentally better overall after less than 30,000 miles, despite being "worse" up front.
Many companies are investing hard in trying to figure out how to recycle battery packs, cells, and materials. All sorts of projects ranging from using worn out Nissan Leaf batteries as grid scale battery backup to Redwood Materials, which was founded by a co-founder of Tesla. Over time these things will get cleaner and cleaner.
I do not buy an EV for environmental or political reasons. I have it because I like it. And yes it excites me. Even the Bolt, which is a "cheap and cheerful" car, not a high performance vehicle, is exciting in that it delivers a lower cost per mile over its lifespan than literally any other new car in its price range. Or a used one that is half the price is way better than most other used vehicles in its price range.
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I strongly suspect you're wasting your time talking sense.
Well, call me what you like, but I love my M3P. 10 second car for $55 large.
I've been for a ride in one. Nice car, for sure. Except .. when the owner/driver ran through a stop sign while he was letting the car do the driving. Not my style, however. Sorta like how F1 has gone hybrid... Should not be required, imo. Oh well .. I do not consider your car "a bean" like the Chevy.
There's definitely different types of EVs just as there are different types of other cars. I get why the Bolt is popular for the normie crowd in just the same way a Camry ticks all of someone else's boxes. I prefer EVs at this point, but it's got to be fast and interesting in some way to get my attention.
People love their Bolts. There's reason for it. If it fits your use case, it can be a great ride.
Who's a bigger wuss, a guy buying a bolt, or a guy buying one of the half dozen slower cars that had "Shelby" stickers on them?
The bolt does't pretend to be something it's not, unlike a Dodge Omni with a Shelby sticker. Henry should have been mad about that, Shelby endorsed it and it diminished his brand.
LFP's don't use cobalt.
Reviews out today.
He mentioned Plug&Charge at Tesla Superchargers coming soon via OTA, that’ll probably include Electrify America too. Sounds like GM will really be pushing Universal Plug&Charge, like what’s common in Europe now.
He mentioned Plug&Charge at Tesla Superchargers coming soon via OTA, that’ll probably include Electrify America too. Sounds like GM will really be pushing Universal Plug&Charge, like what’s common in Europe now.
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Starting at $29k ?
Yeah, I know. I mean, I find the cars kind of unique and interesting. After all decades ago I owned one of the first Honda CRXs and loved it. Then there is the price you mention, not only that, Chevy indicates it is going to be discontinued however that isnt a firm statement. I believe it will be discontinued or a less expensive model comes out, its almost the same price is the Equinox EV.
Its a cool looking small car and it highlights how expensive it is to manufacture EVs
Look at the Nissan Leaf, good luck if you can get a new one for $34,000 and the battery technology is inferior.
I would go for a Equinox EV at the Leaf price
Im getting older (guy) maybe I dont care as much but cars just keep getting more and more pricey for what you get. Loaded up with so much junk to go wrong. I prefer a larger road cruising SUV... However for a second car the Bolt I think is cool. Like a really, really, really nice golf cart that so many on my neighbors pay 12k+ for. LOL
A SUPER COOL THING WITH ALL GM'S EV AND GASOLINE THE PHYSICAL CLIMATE CONTROL SYSTEMS BUTTONS ARE FANTASTIC I love the controls in my wife's Gasoline 2025 Equonix and we at the time used those same controls in the EV version and I see the same controls in all GM vehicles.
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What makes you say the battery tech is inferior? The Leaf uses a battery with higher energy density, and it's now liquid cooled.
I think the Equinox/Bolt/Leaf debate may come down to trim levels. Of course the latter two have similar starting prices, but I'm curious to see how they're each equipped for their respective prices. Also, the Leaf offers substantially more range in its lowest priced trim.
The answer to your question is watch the video and post number 92.
The leaf has a different battery technology. I presume the older one.
Leaf recommends charging to 80% for maximum life with an NMC pack
The GM recommends charging to 100% because of the new LFP pack
Not knowing as much as others in here, I probably should not have used the word inferior battery pack for the leaf. That is the way I looked at it living in a more temperate climate.
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It's not really a measure of old vs new. It's the characteristics of NMC vs LFP. The LFP chemistry has a stupendously flat voltage curve. To illustrate, here's a picture from of my LFP packs.
The curve drops from 54V to 52V between 98% and 40% of charge. The reason for charging to 100% is to ensure the BMS knows the actual charge state of the battery. Both NMC and LFP prefer 80% for longevity, but with the LFP curve the BMS needs more info to ensure sufficient cell balance. That can only be done near max voltage.
Both cells types have their respective advantages. NMC is more energy dense, but LFP is cheaper and less prone to thermal runway. For the average consumer, 80% or 100% won't matter most of the time because either will have sufficient range for a daily commute. Generally, you just charge to 100% shortly before departure when taking a a long trip so the battery doesn't stay at high voltage. The charging comparison wasn't really clear: the Leaf takes longer to charge, but it also has a bigger tank to fill.
1st 20 minutes is listening to this dude blabber? Regardless, kudos to the Bolt and the Tesla Supercharger for the fast charge. Plug in, grab a drink and/or snack and off you go. I don't know the size of the battery or the range of the car. But that's a huge improvement over the 1st gen Bolt. Owners will love 'em.
If you need to go further, my understanding is the LFP battery does not mind charging to 100%.
If you need to go further, my understanding is the LFP battery does not mind charging to 100%.
Pretty decent.