2022 GMC Sierra 1500 info is out

[wtd]

GM is selling 800k trucks a year, so is Ford, and Ram is not to far behind.

I don’t think they care.

I'm sure they don't and I didn't think that they would. I'm just not willing to pay these insane prices on trucks that are not even that reliable anymore. I don't fault anyone that does. It's their money.

My 1/2 ton has 142,000 miles and my 1 ton has 122,000 miles so they will last many more years, especially since I'm retired and don't drive as much as I used to. I'll spend my money on other things that I enjoy.

 

[CKN]

I'm sure they don't and I didn't think that they would. I'm just not willing to pay these insane prices on trucks that are not even that reliable anymore. I don't fault anyone that does. It's their money.

My 1/2 ton has 142,000 miles and my 1 ton has 122,000 miles so they will last many more years, especially since I'm retired and don't drive as much as I used to. I'll spend my money on other things that I enjoy.

That's a pretty big blanket statement, especially in a normal market situation where Silverado/Sierra sells over 40,000 units a month. How many do you see on the side of the road?

Yes-they have issues like all trucks-but reliability isn't one of them. I can tell you about common issues like a clunky powertrain, a slushbox transmission. But those issues are NVH-not reliability related. But I can also tell you it will pull 5,000 pounds up a 8,000 foot mountain pass all day long and not over heat-unlike some certain motors from another truck manufacturer.

 

[wtd]

That's a pretty big blanket statement, especially in a normal market situation where Silverado/Sierra sells over 40,000 units a month. How many do you see on the side of the road?

Yes-they have issues like all trucks-but reliability isn't one of them. I can tell you about common issues like a clunky powertrain, a slushbox transmission. But those issues are NVH-not reliability related. But I can also tell you it will pull 5,000 pounds up a 8,000 foot mountain pass all day long and not over heat-unlike some certain motors from another truck manufacturer.

Maybe I should have not used the word "reliable" but I don't want to deal with clunky powertrains and transmissions that don't shift that well on a 80K truck. Regardless, I'm not willing to spend 50-80K on a new truck. I personally don't think they are worth it. That's just me. Obviously other's don't feel that way.

 

[skrypj]

Maybe I should have not used the word "reliable" but I don't want to deal with clunky powertrains and transmissions that don't shift that well on a 80K truck. Regardless, I'm not willing to spend 50-80K on a new truck. I personally don't think they are worth it. That's just me. Obviously other's don't feel that way.

What are your current trucks? crew cabs? regular cabs? What trim?

I bought a fully loaded F150 lariat crew cab 4x4 with heated/cooled leathers seats moon roof and basically every other option for $42k. You don't need to spend 50-80k to get a well optioned truck. At least not before the car market went whacky, but that didnt change the MSRP's.

And I bet a modern Ford XL trim, or GM WT trim would be as nice or nicer than any 1990's trucks. You account for inflation and modern truck really have not gotten any more expensive and are far more capable, comfortable and efficient.

 

[aquariuscsm]

 

[CKN]

What are your current trucks? crew cabs? regular cabs? What trim?

I bought a fully loaded F150 lariat crew cab 4x4 with heated/cooled leathers seats moon roof and basically every other option for $42k. You don't need to spend 50-80k to get a well optioned truck. At least not before the car market went whacky, but that didnt change the MSRP's.

And I bet a modern Ford XL trim, or GM WT trim would be as nice or nicer than any 1990's trucks. You account for inflation and modern truck really have not gotten any more expensive and are far more capable, comfortable and efficient.

I bought a fully loaded 2018 Crew Cab Silverado LTZ - except no moonroof (didn't want one) and the sticker was $54,000.00 and I paid $43,000.00 AND YES TO REPLACE EITHER ONE OF OUR TRUCKS YOU ARE LOOKING AT PROBABLY $10,000.00 MORE.

 

[I<3oil]

Meh 1500. 2500+ ftw.

 

[wtd]

What are your current trucks? crew cabs? regular cabs? What trim?

I bought a fully loaded F150 lariat crew cab 4x4 with heated/cooled leathers seats moon roof and basically every other option for $42k. You don't need to spend 50-80k to get a well optioned truck. At least not before the car market went whacky, but that didnt change the MSRP's.

And I bet a modern Ford XL trim, or GM WT trim would be as nice or nicer than any 1990's trucks. You account for inflation and modern truck really have not gotten any more expensive and are far more capable, comfortable and efficient.

Both of my trucks are 98 models. Both Silverado's. 1/2 ton is a extended cab Z71 and the 1 ton is a regular cab long bed 4x4. Both trucks have most of the options available for that year. I bought the 1/2 ton new and have kept it pretty nice. I bought the 1 ton used in 2007. I prefer the looks of both trucks to any of the current Chevrolet trucks.

I know you can get them cheaper than 50K but I'm just not interested in getting one. My fiancé has a 2017 F150 crew cab 4x4 if I want to drive or ride in something new. It's not without it's issues. She just had to spend $1,100 on a new AC compressor and her engine is starting to seep oil near the rear main seal. It also has some type of clunk in the rear. Truck only has 34,000 miles and she bought it new. It's nice but I'm not impressed enough to buy anything like it.

 

[dareo]

I bought a fully loaded 2018 Crew Cab Silverado LTZ - except no moonroof (didn't want one) and the sticker was $54,000.00 and I paid $43,000.00 AND YES TO REPLACE EITHER ONE OF OUR TRUCKS YOU ARE LOOKING AT PROBABLY $10,000.00 MORE.

Just get out the checkbook for the new denali ultimate. $80,890 plus tax, tags, dealer doc and other fees. Lets just call it an even $90k and its still just a half ton.

 

[buster]

AT4X is a nice looking truck. Unique features - front & rear locker, DSSV's and 10 speed auto. Interior is finally nice.

The MM DSSV's are great. Curious how it they do on the full size.

 

[dareo]

AT4X is a nice looking truck. Unique features - front & rear locker, DSSV's and 10 speed auto. Interior is finally nice.

The MM DSSV's are great. Curious how it they do on the full size.

It will drive great and people will buy it, even though it is far too expensive for what it is. They can sell the basic Pro trim for $32k but some interior, screens, off road parts costing maybe $10k more pushes it to $75k. We should be looking for a good dip in GM stock because they are going to print money on these things.

 

[dareo]

Also, 3 years after people pay full sticker for these, their B2B warranty will run out. Some will have a lot of issues fixed under said warranty and want out. By the this time all shortages will be gone and GM will compete with their tried and true discounting method. The brand new competition to your 3 year old 2022 will be deeply discounted. That $75k halfton will drop to around 40k by the 3 year 36k mark.

Anyone choosing the new Tundra will not be affected by quality or future discounting issues.

Just my predictions after looking into my crystal ball.

 

[tbm5690]

The interior looks like a massive improvement, and for once not a cheap GM dumpster fire. Minus the piano black on all the buttons that you touch...I will never for the life of me understand these decisions.

 

[CKN]

Also, 3 years after people pay full sticker for these, their B2B warranty will run out. Some will have a lot of issues fixed under said warranty and want out. By the this time all shortages will be gone and GM will compete with their tried and true discounting method. The brand new competition to your 3 year old 2022 will be deeply discounted. That $75k halfton will drop to around 40k by the 3 year 36k mark.

Anyone choosing the new Tundra will not be affected by quality or future discounting issues.

Just my predictions after looking into my crystal ball.

In 2018 I got $11,000.00 off my Silverado. It had a sticker of $54,000.00. I don't disagree with you scenario above. The only exception is many upgrade after three or 4 years-cause by desire and not by any mechanical issues.

 

[The Critic]

They have the coil sprung rear which does ride nice.

This is true. However, the Tundra will have the same setup for 22 so it is no longer a Ram exclusive.

 

[buster]

The MM shocks can be prone to leaking. fwiw

 

[dareo]

In 2018 I got $11,000.00 off my Silverado. It had a sticker of $54,000.00. I don't disagree with you scenario above. The only exception is many upgrade after three or 4 years-cause by desire and not by any mechanical issues.

Sure, upgraders will get a new truck every so often. Many will sell to go HD or into something smaller. Leases will put a lot of these on the secondary market and the new supply will be abundant.

I really want one but i wont go domestic and sticker price unless my life depended on it.

Maybe a 2500 ZR2 will come along eventually. I would want to have the sort of good offroad capability and some solid payload right out of the box. 2200 lb payload, 14k trailer towing, large gas tank and able to go off pavement comfortably and confidently. The fancy shocks and GM IFS on a 2500 could be just right.

Or even make some new in betweener truck. The Sierra 2000. For people who don’t want to max out a half ton and dont want to go quite so heavy. 3/4 ton and up adds so much weight on all brands.

Overlanding and family camping type uses are all the rage now.

 

[Tomioka]

They finally ditched the center stack dash design and went with a driver centric design. Hoping it's not a Denali dash only.

 

[CKN]

Sure, upgraders will get a new truck every so often. Many will sell to go HD or into something smaller. Leases will put a lot of these on the secondary market and the new supply will be abundant.

I really want one but i wont go domestic and sticker price unless my life depended on it.

Maybe a 2500 ZR2 will come along eventually. I would want to have the sort of good offroad capability and some solid payload right out of the box. 2200 lb payload, 14k trailer towing, large gas tank and able to go off pavement comfortably and confidently. The fancy shocks and GM IFS on a 2500 could be just right.

Or even make some new in betweener truck. The Sierra 2000. For people who don’t want to max out a half ton and dont want to go quite so heavy. 3/4 ton and up adds so much weight on all brands.

Overlanding and family camping type uses are all the rage now.

I thinking about the new 2022 Tundra. While I am not overly fond of the design-I'm confident Toyota can make a turbo motor to go up mountain passes and not over heat. PLUS-I don't want to buy another truck in my lifetime-so I think the Toyota longevity/reliability thing could be a fit. Discounts will not be plentiful even when the market normalizes-so we will see what happens.

 

[dareo]

I thinking about the new 2022 Tundra. While I am not overly fond of the design-I'm confident Toyota can make a turbo motor to go up mountain passes and not over heat. PLUS-I don't want to buy another truck in my lifetime-so I think the Toyota longevity/reliability thing could be a fit. Discounts will not be plentiful even when the market normalizes-so we will see what happens.

Knowing as little as we know i think the Tundra will be a very safe bet in terms or reliablity and resale value.