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I'd use Pennzoil Platinum in the spec weight and an MC oil filter.
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Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
I also called my Ford Tech Foreman friend back in FL. and asked him about using Pennzoil conventional. He said that he CAN use it, but, AFTER the warranty is up.
Why?
Because I can? Because, I wanted to know? Is that ok?
I meant why did he say that you can only use it AFTER the warranty is up and not during warranty?
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
I also called my Ford Tech Foreman friend back in FL. and asked him about using Pennzoil conventional. He said that he CAN use it, but, AFTER the warranty is up.
Why?
Because I can? Because, I wanted to know? Is that ok?
I meant why did he say that you can only use it AFTER the warranty is up and not during warranty?
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
I also called my Ford Tech Foreman friend back in FL. and asked him about using Pennzoil conventional. He said that he CAN use it, but, AFTER the warranty is up.
Why?
Because I can? Because, I wanted to know? Is that ok?
I think the "Why" was about the dealer's comment: why would he think it was inappropriate to use an approved Ford-spec oil (Pennzoil conventional) only after the warranty was over?
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
I also called my Ford Tech Foreman friend back in FL. and asked him about using Pennzoil conventional. He said that he CAN use it, but, AFTER the warranty is up.
Why?
Because I can? Because, I wanted to know? Is that ok?
I think the "Why" was about the dealer's comment: why would he think it was inappropriate to use an approved Ford-spec oil (Pennzoil conventional) only after the warranty was over?
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I guarantee the dealer's comment was because his boss tells him to tell all his customers that. It's all about sales.
Originally Posted By: Danh
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
I also called my Ford Tech Foreman friend back in FL. and asked him about using Pennzoil conventional. He said that he CAN use it, but, AFTER the warranty is up.
Why?
Because I can? Because, I wanted to know? Is that ok?
I think the "Why" was about the dealer's comment: why would he think it was inappropriate to use an approved Ford-spec oil (Pennzoil conventional) only after the warranty was over?
He stated that because Ford has been known to void engine warranties if they "CAN" prove the wrong oil was used during warranty periods. I then asked him had it ever happened in his shop. He stated that it had not, but, they did void a differential warranty because the owner had installed the wrong grade/type of differential fluid during the 100K mile warranty.
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
I also called my Ford Tech Foreman friend back in FL. and asked him about using Pennzoil conventional. He said that he CAN use it, but, AFTER the warranty is up.
Why?
Because I can? Because, I wanted to know? Is that ok?
I think the "Why" was about the dealer's comment: why would he think it was inappropriate to use an approved Ford-spec oil (Pennzoil conventional) only after the warranty was over?
He stated that because Ford has been known to void engine warranties if they "CAN" prove the wrong oil was used during warranty periods. I then asked him had it ever happened in his shop. He stated that it had not, but, they did void a differential warranty because the owner had installed the wrong grade/type of differential fluid during the 100K mile warranty.
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
I also called my Ford Tech Foreman friend back in FL. and asked him about using Pennzoil conventional. He said that he CAN use it, but, AFTER the warranty is up.
Why?
Because I can? Because, I wanted to know? Is that ok?
I meant why did he say that you can only use it AFTER the warranty is up and not during warranty?
Sorry for that response. I can get caught up in the moment sometimes. And, some members here like to challenge other members at times also.
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
I also called my Ford Tech Foreman friend back in FL. and asked him about using Pennzoil conventional. He said that he CAN use it, but, AFTER the warranty is up.
Why?
Because I can? Because, I wanted to know? Is that ok?
I meant why did he say that you can only use it AFTER the warranty is up and not during warranty?
Sorry for that response. I can get caught up in the moment sometimes. And, some members here like to challenge other members at times also.
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
He stated that because Ford has been known to void engine warranties if they "CAN" prove the wrong oil was used during warranty periods.
But Pennzoil Conventional is not the wrong oil. It carries the required Ford spec and is the correct viscosity.
Yes, I understand you are probably better off running synthetic here, but there is NOTHING in the owner's manual that prevents you from running Pennzoil conventional, IMO.
He stated that because Ford has been known to void engine warranties if they "CAN" prove the wrong oil was used during warranty periods.
But Pennzoil Conventional is not the wrong oil. It carries the required Ford spec and is the correct viscosity.
Yes, I understand you are probably better off running synthetic here, but there is NOTHING in the owner's manual that prevents you from running Pennzoil conventional, IMO.
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
He stated that because Ford has been known to void engine warranties if they "CAN" prove the wrong oil was used during warranty periods.
But Pennzoil Conventional is not the wrong oil. It carries the required Ford spec and is the correct viscosity.
Yes, I understand you are probably better off running synthetic here, but there is NOTHING in the owner's manual that prevents you from running Pennzoil conventional, IMO.
He didn't get into details as to WHY or WHY not use it, other than he SUGGESTED to use it after warranty. I am just guessing here, that he thinks it might void the warranty. I am going to call him and ask him more in particular.
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
He stated that because Ford has been known to void engine warranties if they "CAN" prove the wrong oil was used during warranty periods.
But Pennzoil Conventional is not the wrong oil. It carries the required Ford spec and is the correct viscosity.
Yes, I understand you are probably better off running synthetic here, but there is NOTHING in the owner's manual that prevents you from running Pennzoil conventional, IMO.
He didn't get into details as to WHY or WHY not use it, other than he SUGGESTED to use it after warranty. I am just guessing here, that he thinks it might void the warranty. I am going to call him and ask him more in particular.
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
He stated that because Ford has been known to void engine warranties if they "CAN" prove the wrong oil was used during warranty periods.
But Pennzoil Conventional is not the wrong oil. It carries the required Ford spec and is the correct viscosity.
Yes, I understand you are probably better off running synthetic here, but there is NOTHING in the owner's manual that prevents you from running Pennzoil conventional, IMO.
QP, he couldn't talk too long, but, stated it had something to do with the correct NOACK of the oil....????
I told him I was lost. He said he would call me when he got off of work and explain it more in detail.
Does NOACK really play that much of a part in DI engines?
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
He stated that because Ford has been known to void engine warranties if they "CAN" prove the wrong oil was used during warranty periods.
But Pennzoil Conventional is not the wrong oil. It carries the required Ford spec and is the correct viscosity.
Yes, I understand you are probably better off running synthetic here, but there is NOTHING in the owner's manual that prevents you from running Pennzoil conventional, IMO.
QP, he couldn't talk too long, but, stated it had something to do with the correct NOACK of the oil....????
I told him I was lost. He said he would call me when he got off of work and explain it more in detail.
Does NOACK really play that much of a part in DI engines?
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
QP, he couldn't talk too long, but, stated it had something to do with the correct NOACK of the oil....????
Interesting. Please ask him to elaborate some more. I want to see where this is going.
If certain max Noack level was required here, then presumably the aforementioned Ford spec covers it, and again, Pennzoil Conventional does meet this spec.
Besides, both Pennzoil Conventional and Motorcraft 5w30 blend mentioned in the owner's manual have about the same Noack, according to PQIA.
QP, he couldn't talk too long, but, stated it had something to do with the correct NOACK of the oil....????
Interesting. Please ask him to elaborate some more. I want to see where this is going.
If certain max Noack level was required here, then presumably the aforementioned Ford spec covers it, and again, Pennzoil Conventional does meet this spec.
Besides, both Pennzoil Conventional and Motorcraft 5w30 blend mentioned in the owner's manual have about the same Noack, according to PQIA.
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
QP, he couldn't talk too long, but, stated it had something to do with the correct NOACK of the oil....????
Interesting. Please ask him to elaborate some more. I want to see where this is going.
If certain max Noack level was required here, then presumably the aforementioned Ford spec covers it, and again, Pennzoil Conventional does meet this spec.
This logic is iron clad. The conversation on the phone is a load of you-know-what.
Either that person was seriously misinformed or he was talking out of his behind trying to look knowledgeable.
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
QP, he couldn't talk too long, but, stated it had something to do with the correct NOACK of the oil....????
Interesting. Please ask him to elaborate some more. I want to see where this is going.
If certain max Noack level was required here, then presumably the aforementioned Ford spec covers it, and again, Pennzoil Conventional does meet this spec.
This logic is iron clad. The conversation on the phone is a load of you-know-what.
Either that person was seriously misinformed or he was talking out of his behind trying to look knowledgeable.
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
QP, he couldn't talk too long, but, stated it had something to do with the correct NOACK of the oil....????
Interesting. Please ask him to elaborate some more. I want to see where this is going.
If certain max Noack level was required here, then presumably the aforementioned Ford spec covers it, and again, Pennzoil Conventional does meet this spec.
Besides, both Pennzoil Conventional and Motorcraft 5w30 blend mentioned in the owner's manual have about the same Noack, according to PQIA.
QP, this is starting to overwhelm me. I do know enough about motor oil to keep me out of trouble, but, when we start speaking NOACK, that's a new dimension for me. I can't wait to learn more from him as well. I am going to suggest to him to make a membership here.
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
QP, he couldn't talk too long, but, stated it had something to do with the correct NOACK of the oil....????
Interesting. Please ask him to elaborate some more. I want to see where this is going.
If certain max Noack level was required here, then presumably the aforementioned Ford spec covers it, and again, Pennzoil Conventional does meet this spec.
Besides, both Pennzoil Conventional and Motorcraft 5w30 blend mentioned in the owner's manual have about the same Noack, according to PQIA.
QP, this is starting to overwhelm me. I do know enough about motor oil to keep me out of trouble, but, when we start speaking NOACK, that's a new dimension for me. I can't wait to learn more from him as well. I am going to suggest to him to make a membership here.
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
He stated that because Ford has been known to void engine warranties if they "CAN" prove the wrong oil was used during warranty periods. I then asked him had it ever happened in his shop. He stated that it had not, but, they did void a differential warranty because the owner had installed the wrong grade/type of differential fluid during the 100K mile warranty.
None of which is true in this example.
He stated that because Ford has been known to void engine warranties if they "CAN" prove the wrong oil was used during warranty periods. I then asked him had it ever happened in his shop. He stated that it had not, but, they did void a differential warranty because the owner had installed the wrong grade/type of differential fluid during the 100K mile warranty.
None of which is true in this example.
Originally Posted By: kschachn
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
BlueOvalFitter said:QP, he couldn't talk too long, but, stated it had something to do with the correct NOACK of the oil....????
Interesting. Please ask him to elaborate some more. I want to see where this is going.
If certain max Noack level was required here, then presumably the aforementioned Ford spec covers it, and again, Pennzoil Conventional does meet this spec.
This logic is iron clad. The conversation on the phone is a load of you-know-what.
Either that person was seriously misinformed or he was talking out of his behind trying to look knowledgeable. [/quote
Maybe the same can be said about you?
This simple Q? about an oil suggestion is really starting to make members emotions to run amock! SMFH!
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Maybe the same can be said about you?
The oil meets the specification required by the manufacturer and is of an allowed grade.
For someone to suggest that would void a warranty is like I said, either seriously misinformed or...
Maybe the same can be said about you?
The oil meets the specification required by the manufacturer and is of an allowed grade.
For someone to suggest that would void a warranty is like I said, either seriously misinformed or...
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
but, when we start speaking NOACK, that's a new dimension for me.
Here is some basic info:
http://www.pqiamerica.com/Testdescriptions/Noack.html
but, when we start speaking NOACK, that's a new dimension for me.
Here is some basic info:
http://www.pqiamerica.com/Testdescriptions/Noack.html
Originally Posted By: kschachn
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Maybe the same can be said about you?
The oil meets the specification required by the manufacturer and is of an allowed grade.
For someone to suggest that would void a warranty is like I said, either seriously misinformed or...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Maybe the same can be said about you?
The oil meets the specification required by the manufacturer and is of an allowed grade.
For someone to suggest that would void a warranty is like I said, either seriously misinformed or...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
This simple Q? about an oil suggestion is really starting to make members emotions to run amock! SMFH!
SMFH? KMA? Someone needs to back down to critical thinking and end the emotional response. And it's "amok".
Emotions should have nothing to do with it, only requirements.
This simple Q? about an oil suggestion is really starting to make members emotions to run amock! SMFH!
SMFH? KMA? Someone needs to back down to critical thinking and end the emotional response. And it's "amok".
Emotions should have nothing to do with it, only requirements.
Originally Posted By: kschachn
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
This simple Q? about an oil suggestion is really starting to make members emotions to run amock! SMFH!
SMFH? KMA? Someone needs to back down to critical thinking and end the emotional response. And it's "amok".
Emotions should have nothing to do with it, only requirements.
So, now I'm getting dinged for spelling? How trivial of you. SMMFH! <~~~Is that much gooder?
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
This simple Q? about an oil suggestion is really starting to make members emotions to run amock! SMFH!
SMFH? KMA? Someone needs to back down to critical thinking and end the emotional response. And it's "amok".
Emotions should have nothing to do with it, only requirements.
So, now I'm getting dinged for spelling? How trivial of you. SMMFH! <~~~Is that much gooder?
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: kschachn
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
This simple Q? about an oil suggestion is really starting to make members emotions to run amock! SMFH!
SMFH? KMA? Someone needs to back down to critical thinking and end the emotional response. And it's "amok".
Emotions should have nothing to do with it, only requirements.
So, now I'm getting dinged for spelling? How trivial of you. SMMFH! div>
Okay.
There comes a point when you realize you're not having a technical discussion any longer.
Originally Posted By: kschachn
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
This simple Q? about an oil suggestion is really starting to make members emotions to run amock! SMFH!
SMFH? KMA? Someone needs to back down to critical thinking and end the emotional response. And it's "amok".
Emotions should have nothing to do with it, only requirements.
So, now I'm getting dinged for spelling? How trivial of you. SMMFH! div>
Okay.
There comes a point when you realize you're not having a technical discussion any longer.
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