2014 Silverado Double Cab Opinions

[mrsilv04]

Originally Posted By: millerbl00

Trucks where pretty simple. But now we have VVT, aluminum blocks, DI, aluminum frame componets, etc. Not simple any more.


This is the second time you've mentioned this in the same thread.

You've transitioned over from commenting to trolling.

 

[millerbl00]

Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
Originally Posted By: millerbl00

Trucks where pretty simple. But now we have VVT, aluminum blocks, DI, aluminum frame componets, etc. Not simple any more.





This is the second time you've mentioned this in the same thread.

You've transitioned over from commenting to trolling.

This is the second time you've scolded me the same thread.

You've transitioned over from commenting to trolling.

 

[Geauxtiger]

Even tho I am 1/2 century of age and now have the right (I think?) to begin the slow transition to the 'grumpy old man' ranks, by nature I am a very respectful and kind person who tries to see things from all perspectives. I fully understand that my fellow Louisianian Mr millerbl00 has been burned numerous times by new technology. I was burned a few times myself in the early 90's.

I work in the petrochemical industry. We use the raw materials that the refineries spit out thru slicing, dicing, beating, stretching, and otherwise abusing the crude oil molecules to get carbon molecules that are in demand and have the highest ROI to them. We use those derivatives of crude oil to make the chemicals that make the stuff of everyday life. As a possible late-term career, I have become VERY interested in the lubricating oil industry. Don't know why. Just happened. Anyway, I am a prolific reader (tho low frequency poster due to wanting to listen more than mouth-off) of this forum. I try to absorb all points of view and I especially try to absorb the opinions of some of our resident experts who have spent their career in the lubricating oil industry.

With that said, I respect millerbl00's point of view regarding early buy-in to previously unproven technology. The easy, safe, and possibly (probably?) cheaper route would be for me to stuck with the proven tech as long as possible. But, as hard as I try to resist, I love new technology. I have somewhat of an insider's respect for what it takes to bring something as significant as a new vehicle to market. When I look under the hood of a vehicle, I am amazed at what it took to bring it to market.

And, as Forrest Gump would say....."That's all I got to say about that".

 

[millerbl00]

With that wonderful post I apologize to anyone I rubbed the wrong way and will let it rest too.....

 

[SatinSilver]

Did you sit on a big crawfish or something?

 

[Geauxtiger]

All's good. At the end of the day, all this jabber about new vs proven technology in trucks is just for fun. Something I have been learning in recent years is to extend my thinking and consider all points of view and especially what variables caused that point of view. We are who we are by a grand total of what we have experienced and decisions we have made over many, many years. By default, at least in my opinion, that means there is merit worth consideration in everybody's opinion. And that's all I got to say about that....again.

 

[mrsilv04]

Originally Posted By: millerbl00
With that wonderful post I apologize to anyone I rubbed the wrong way and will let it rest too.....


I don't think that I've ever seen on this site before, when someone else gets a new pickup truck, and then some faceless person wants to stand and take a pee all over it, and be a complete pessimist about it.

Many times, it is one of the happiest days in a guy's life, and then you have someone on the sidelines, acting like this.

I don't know. I just don't know.

 

[hattaresguy]

Originally Posted By: millerbl00
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
Pickup trucks are pretty simple, I don't really see how one could go that wrong.


Trucks where pretty simple. But now we have VVT, aluminum blocks, DI, aluminum frame componets, etc. Not simple any more.


I guess it depends on what your comparing them to. IMHO they are still very simple, compared to say an Audi A8L, for example.

All that stuff has been used in European cars for going on 20 years or more. True direct injection has been around since WW2 AFAIK. Bosch has been doing it in cars since about than.

 

[millerbl00]

Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
Originally Posted By: millerbl00
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
Pickup trucks are pretty simple, I don't really see how one could go that wrong.


Trucks where pretty simple. But now we have VVT, aluminum blocks, DI, aluminum frame componets, etc. Not simple any more.


I guess it depends on what your comparing them to. IMHO they are still very simple, compared to say an Audi A8L, for example.

All that stuff has been used in European cars for going on 20 years or more. True direct injection has been around since WW2 AFAIK. Bosch has been doing it in cars since about than.



GM has not been doing it for 20 years. Thats my whole point, unproven with GM.

 

[mcrn]

Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
Originally Posted By: millerbl00
With that wonderful post I apologize to anyone I rubbed the wrong way and will let it rest too.....


I don't think that I've ever seen on this site before, when someone else gets a new pickup truck, and then some faceless person wants to stand and take a pee all over it, and be a complete pessimist about it.

Many times, it is one of the happiest days in a guy's life, and then you have someone on the sidelines, acting like this.

I don't know. I just don't know.


I agree. Congrats to the OP on the new truck! I hope you enjoy it. I really like the new trucks! Also congrats on having a great attitude and really proving to be the a step above all the negativity.

 

[SwampSurvivor]

And I thought I was leary of old tech!

I will agree that trucks are not simple any more.

 

[ls1mike]

Originally Posted By: millerbl00
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
Originally Posted By: millerbl00
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
Pickup trucks are pretty simple, I don't really see how one could go that wrong.


Trucks where pretty simple. But now we have VVT, aluminum blocks, DI, aluminum frame componets, etc. Not simple any more.


I guess it depends on what your comparing them to. IMHO they are still very simple, compared to say an Audi A8L, for example.

All that stuff has been used in European cars for going on 20 years or more. True direct injection has been around since WW2 AFAIK. Bosch has been doing it in cars since about than.



GM has not been doing it for 20 years. Thats my whole point, unproven with GM.


The LS based aluminum motor has been around since 1997, used in trucks, cars, and SUV. No problems with the aluminum.
Not to mention aluminum blocked 4 clys. They know how to aluminum in there blocks. Same thing for aluminum frame components.

VVT and DI well that is fairly new to them. Your failure does not mean everything else is going to fail.

 

[TLAR640]

FWIW, I've had my 07 Silverado 5.3 with active fuel mgmt. for over 6 years now, still waiting for the new model year problems...

 

[millerbl00]

The 2014 Silverado is nothing like the 2007. Totally different from ground up.

 

[GMBoy]

Originally Posted By: millerbl00
The 2014 Silverado is nothing like the 2007. Totally different from ground up.


GM has been making DI engines since 2008 with the introduction of the 3.6DI and other engines afterwards. I think that 6 years+ experience there means a lot and there will be no issues. The truck is NOT new from the ground up. The interiors are new and the exterior are refreshed. The engine is really the same except for the introduction of DI when you really get down to it.

Trust me I know...I've been a part of the entire K2 model launch and have worked on this model change for 3 years prior to the intro of the pickups for 2014 and we launch the SUV's in January as 2015 models.

These are great trucks. I know they are advertised as new from the ground up...and most parts have been changed, however it is still more an evolved truck than all new.

 

[mrsilv04]

Originally Posted By: millerbl00
The 2014 Silverado is nothing like the 2007. Totally different from ground up.


Totally different?

I have bad news. You've gone from being annoying to ignorant.

 

[SteveSRT8]

I remember when we got our first 3500 Savana with the forged aluminum lower control arms in the front suspension way back around 2004.

All my guys who work here squealed about their 'spindly' appearance, OMG they will break easily, etc.

They were/are FAR stronger than the old stamped steel parts, nearly indestructible.

The new GM pickups are NOT all new from the ground up. That is completely misleading. They have some new tech in them, but most of their parts are not new. Aluminum components, VVT, AFM, 6 speed trans, etc. are all tech that has been around for many years now.

As stated previously, they are evolutionary, not revolutionary.

The General is taking much more care these days. Our newest 3500 Express has almost all the seams BONDED as well as spot welded. This is amazing quality for the price point...

 

[millerbl00]

Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
Originally Posted By: millerbl00
The 2014 Silverado is nothing like the 2007. Totally different from ground up.


Totally different?

I have bad news. You've gone from being annoying to ignorant.


You are being ignorant buy calling me ignorant and trusting that GM has you best interest in mind...

Funny how upset people get depending a company in that in the past was very unconcerned about safety and quality control. Why are you defending GM so much?

 

[millerbl00]

Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
I remember when we got our first 3500 Savana with the forged aluminum lower control arms in the front suspension way back around 2004.

All my guys who work here squealed about their 'spindly' appearance, OMG they will break easily, etc.

They were/are FAR stronger than the old stamped steel parts, nearly indestructible.

The new GM pickups are NOT all new from the ground up. That is completely misleading. They have some new tech in them, but most of their parts are not new. Aluminum components, VVT, AFM, 6 speed trans, etc. are all tech that has been around for many years now.

As stated previously, they are evolutionary, not revolutionary.

The General is taking much more care these days. Our newest 3500 Express has almost all the seams BONDED as well as spot welded. This is amazing quality for the price point...


Gm has not put "Aluminum components, VVT, AFM, 6 speed trans, etc." all in one package before, that is the risk and that's a big leap in one model year.

 

[whip]

Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
Originally Posted By: millerbl00
With that wonderful post I apologize to anyone I rubbed the wrong way and will let it rest too.....


I don't think that I've ever seen on this site before, when someone else gets a new pickup truck, and then some faceless person wants to stand and take a pee all over it, and be a complete pessimist about it.

Many times, it is one of the happiest days in a guy's life, and then you have someone on the sidelines, acting like this.

I don't know. I just don't know.

We knew. We all knew......... Children have impulse control issues. There was no way, he wouldn't revert back to dumping his negativity on this thread.