2013 Passat VR6 - the new used DD

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With Focus now gone to a family member and me getting bored driving our trusty steed Corolla (221k miles with no issues and been in the family since day 1), I started looking for something a little more exciting than the Corolla. A really low bar as many of you will point out.

I ended up narrowing my search to a few different vehicles. Marketplace here is flooded with people of a certain kind that buy vehicles at auctions and then sell them post fix up as “minor damage”. Oh yeah this POS only needed a bumper and a tail light, crazy how the insurance company totaled it. Cool story dudes.

Tried using a couple of different dealers, both were annoying to deal with. One said I was looking for unicorns and the other said they didn’t understand why I had differing amount I wanted to spend depending on the year/mileage/features. Apparently value of money is a hard concept to some.

I really wanted a Taurus with the 2.0EB. But those were much rarer than I thought. Looked at a few VWs with the 2.5 that were more entertaining than the Corolla until this 2013 VR6 popped up not too far away as an estate sale. This is the SEL premium and I liked the VR6 w/DSG given that one my neighbors has a ‘12 with the same powertrain.

Got it for a great price with just under 100k miles. It’s a decent sleeper for my commute. That DSG snaps shifts off quick and the VR6 makes quick work of passing most people on my commute. It did need some work to be done - DSG fluid change, antifreeze change, leaky VCG and a busted outer CV boot were the known problems. Having to do a piston soak because it had an appetite for consuming oil (~300miles/qt) in sport mode was very much unexpected. Thus far I’ve logged just over 12k miles on it.

Pros:
1. VR6 noises with the DSG shifts. Makes me smile.
2. It’s quicker than it looks and the car is pretty quiet except for A pillar wind noise at high speeds.
3. The seats are very comfortable. Drove 900 miles in 1 day recently without issues.
4. The interior is nice and understated. I like the clean uncluttered look.
5. Fender audio is pretty good for a factory system.
6. Large trunk and the rear seats are seriously roomy.
7. The AC is frigid compared to the Corolla and the Focus.

Cons:
1. Needs 91 octane minimum. Not a big deal. Not sure if anyone knows what changed around 2016 when VW started allowing 87 octane.
2. The beige alcantara/real leather interior is nice. But that alcantara gets stained if I look at it wrong or if rain/snow get to it.
3. Unlike their turbo engines, the VR6 doesn’t have any useful tune options. APR has one that only increases the HP by 5-7.
4. RNS510 audio system is temperamental at best. If anyone knows how to swap over to the MIB2 without spending stupid money, I’d appreciate that.

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the only major negative is the premium gas for commuting.
I'd like the $2.22 gas not $3.32 (yesterday's prices)
But its likely around $500 a year for some smiles.. I just have a hard time forking out the insane premium(price) for premium gas.
40 cents no problem $1+ ick.
 
the only major negative is the premium gas for commuting.
I'd like the $2.22 gas not $3.32 (yesterday's prices)
But its likely around $500 a year for some smiles.. I just have a hard time forking out the insane premium(price) for premium gas.
40 cents no problem $1+ ick.
$1 spread seems extreme. The norm here is about a 60¢ increase for 91. $500 per year isn't much in the grand scheme of things but obviously could be more or less depending on what a person does for mileage.
 
With Focus now gone to a family member and me getting bored driving our trusty steed Corolla (221k miles with no issues and been in the family since day 1), I started looking for something a little more exciting than the Corolla. A really low bar as many of you will point out.

I ended up narrowing my search to a few different vehicles. Marketplace here is flooded with people of a certain kind that buy vehicles at auctions and then sell them post fix up as “minor damage”. Oh yeah this POS only needed a bumper and a tail light, crazy how the insurance company totaled it. Cool story dudes.

Tried using a couple of different dealers, both were annoying to deal with. One said I was looking for unicorns and the other said they didn’t understand why I had differing amount I wanted to spend depending on the year/mileage/features. Apparently value of money is a hard concept to some.

I really wanted a Taurus with the 2.0EB. But those were much rarer than I thought. Looked at a few VWs with the 2.5 that were more entertaining than the Corolla until this 2013 VR6 popped up not too far away as an estate sale. This is the SEL premium and I liked the VR6 w/DSG given that one my neighbors has a ‘12 with the same powertrain.

Got it for a great price with just under 100k miles. It’s a decent sleeper for my commute. That DSG snaps shifts off quick and the VR6 makes quick work of passing most people on my commute. It did need some work to be done - DSG fluid change, antifreeze change, leaky VCG and a busted outer CV boot were the known problems. Having to do a piston soak because it had an appetite for consuming oil (~300miles/qt) in sport mode was very much unexpected. Thus far I’ve logged just over 12k miles on it.

Pros:
1. VR6 noises with the DSG shifts. Makes me smile.
2. It’s quicker than it looks and the car is pretty quiet except for A pillar wind noise at high speeds.
3. The seats are very comfortable. Drove 900 miles in 1 day recently without issues.
4. The interior is nice and understated. I like the clean uncluttered look.
5. Fender audio is pretty good for a factory system.
6. Large trunk and the rear seats are seriously roomy.
7. The AC is frigid compared to the Corolla and the Focus.

Cons:
1. Needs 91 octane minimum. Not a big deal. Not sure if anyone knows what changed around 2016 when VW started allowing 87 octane.
2. The beige alcantara/real leather interior is nice. But that alcantara gets stained if I look at it wrong or if rain/snow get to it.
3. Unlike their turbo engines, the VR6 doesn’t have any useful tune options. APR has one that only increases the HP by 5-7.
4. RNS510 audio system is temperamental at best. If anyone knows how to swap over to the MIB2 without spending stupid money, I’d appreciate that.

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Good grab! Yeah without a turbo there's not much software can do typically to help increase power.
 
the only major negative is the premium gas for commuting.
I'd like the $2.22 gas not $3.32 (yesterday's prices)
But its likely around $500 a year for some smiles.. I just have a hard time forking out the insane premium(price) for premium gas.
40 cents no problem $1+ ick.
Indeed. That’s why I’m hoping someone knowledgeable here will chime in about what changed on the VR6 in 2016 when VW switched from 91 octane minimum to 91 octane recommended.
The difference here for premium is right at about at $1.00.
 
Good grab! Yeah without a turbo there's not much software can do typically to help increase power.
Thanks! I’m happy I was able to find something that was without a turbo and no CVT. It’s got plenty of giddy up stock so I can’t complain too much.
 
It’s the same way around here :(
The only thing I tell myself is that the warehouse gas station has cheaper gas than the other gas stations.
I wouldn’t use anything other than top tier fuels in it, given its propensity for deposits and ring sticking. I can’t remember from your other post, but you switched to Valvoline Restore and Protect for this OCI, right? It’s a sweet looking car. We had a 2018 Atlas with the VR6 and it took regular gas. Typically, it’s compression that drives octane rating on an NA engine unless it’s predominantly air cooled like most Harleys, then it’s done to help prevent pre-detonation due to head temps. Did they redesign the combustion chamber in 2016 to allow for 87 octane? I haven’t researched it enough to know. Our Atlas was a pos, so we got rid of it.
 
I wouldn’t use anything other than top tier fuels in it, given its propensity for deposits and ring sticking. I can’t remember from your other post, but you switched to Valvoline Restore and Protect for this OCI, right? It’s a sweet looking car. We had a 2018 Atlas with the VR6 and it took regular gas. Typically, it’s compression that drives octane rating on an NA engine unless it’s predominantly air cooled like most Harleys, then it’s done to help prevent pre-detonation due to head temps. Did they redesign the combustion chamber in 2016 to allow for 87 octane? I haven’t researched it enough to know. Our Atlas was a pos, so we got rid of it.
Good suggestion. I run Costco gas about 90% of the time (the remaining 10% is whatever’s available during road trips, etc.).
I did switch to Valvoline Restore and Protect and I plan on doing 3 more OCIs before deciding if I should switch to Mobil 1 Euro or keep going with Valvoline Restore and Protect 5w30. I don’t ever do extended drain intervals so I’m not particularly worried about needing an oil that’ll last 10k miles. AFAIK, VW kept the CDVB engine all the way on the Passat until MY2018 after which the VR6 was on the Atlas only. So outside of maybe an ECU tune, I don’t believe they changed anything on the engine.
What was wrong with your Atlas? Just electronics stuff or were there more serious issues?
 
RCD330 is a cost effective swap with Carplay, etc.

You can run 87. The ECU will just pull timing.
Thanks! Good to know on the 87 octane.

I’ll look into the RCD330 swap. I had looked at it when I first purchased the car and at the time it seemed like I would lose DVD and native GPS features going to from the RNS510 to the RCD330. Not sure if there’s a variant of the RCDxxx models that offers native GPS in addition to CarPlay/android auto?
 
Good suggestion. I run Costco gas about 90% of the time (the remaining 10% is whatever’s available during road trips, etc.).
I did switch to Valvoline Restore and Protect and I plan on doing 3 more OCIs before deciding if I should switch to Mobil 1 Euro or keep going with Valvoline Restore and Protect 5w30. I don’t ever do extended drain intervals so I’m not particularly worried about needing an oil that’ll last 10k miles.
AFAIK, VW kept the CDVB engine all the way on the Passat until MY2018 after which the VR6 was on the Atlas only. So outside of maybe an ECU tune, I don’t believe they changed anything on the engine.
What was wrong with your Atlas? Just electronics stuff or were there more serious issues?
It drank 1qt of coolant every 5k mi. VW couldn’t figure out why. The transmission had a VERY concerning “SSSHHHHHHHHHH” sound heard inside and outside when it would downshift to climb the hill that leads to our house. Our neighbor further up the road had one that did the same thing on our hill. The seats were excessively stiff.

A lady bumped into the passenger side of it with a Corolla while entering the interstate. The body shop couldn’t get the paint right 3 times in a row (fisheyes, mottling, etc) and then we realized that they never put the sound dampening back in the door skin, so it was like a steel drum. The axles got a slight wobble in them after that and the alignment was off. VW also couldn’t fix those (3 different dealerships) and told me the alignment was fine every time, even though they all returned my vehicle with the steering wheel cocked a different direction every time. I doubt they checked axle runout, but they “said” they did.

The VR6 at WOT was admittedly a ton of fun. It pulled like a freight train. I wanted to like it, but VWs inability to correct any issues (or act like they cared) was the line in the sand for me. We owned it for only a year and went through 3qts of coolant.
 
It drank 1qt of coolant every 5k mi. VW couldn’t figure out why. The transmission had a VERY concerning “SSSHHHHHHHHHH” sound heard inside and outside when it would downshift to climb the hill that leads to our house. Our neighbor further up the road had one that did the same thing on our hill. The seats were excessively stiff.
The "SHHH" is a normal, a function of the torque converter. I think this was revised in later models.

The coolant was the head gasket. Odd that they couldn't figure it out. There was a campaign and a lot of them got new head gaskets / heads.
 
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