with your government continually spewing new regulations it is impossible for cars to be simple or cheap.
Those days are gone.
Those days are gone.
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Originally Posted By: Nick R
Originally Posted By: 91344George
Originally Posted By: daves87rs
It seems all cars are going up quite a bit...
They certainly are but the ordinary American's ability to afford those increases is becoming less and less possible.
Today's cars are..... Too complicated, too heavy, too feature laden, too complex (electronics) and certainly way too expensive.
And I'm going to be the one to point out that not everyone wants a completely stripped out, no radio, no A/C, no power locks, power windows, no sound deadening, carb'ed OHV engine, 5 speed manual, car, that will crumple like a tin can in any accident.
And the few people that do want a stripped down car are too cheap to buy it new!
Originally Posted By: 91344George
Originally Posted By: daves87rs
It seems all cars are going up quite a bit...
They certainly are but the ordinary American's ability to afford those increases is becoming less and less possible.
Today's cars are..... Too complicated, too heavy, too feature laden, too complex (electronics) and certainly way too expensive.
And I'm going to be the one to point out that not everyone wants a completely stripped out, no radio, no A/C, no power locks, power windows, no sound deadening, carb'ed OHV engine, 5 speed manual, car, that will crumple like a tin can in any accident.
And the few people that do want a stripped down car are too cheap to buy it new!
Originally Posted By: dishdude
Originally Posted By: Nick R
Originally Posted By: 91344George
Originally Posted By: daves87rs
It seems all cars are going up quite a bit...
They certainly are but the ordinary American's ability to afford those increases is becoming less and less possible.
Today's cars are..... Too complicated, too heavy, too feature laden, too complex (electronics) and certainly way too expensive.
And I'm going to be the one to point out that not everyone wants a completely stripped out, no radio, no A/C, no power locks, power windows, no sound deadening, carb'ed OHV engine, 5 speed manual, car, that will crumple like a tin can in any accident.
And the few people that do want a stripped down car are too cheap to buy it new!
And most of them are right here on BITOG, lol! But I agree with NickR - I spend a lot of time in my car so I want it nice!
Originally Posted By: Nick R
Originally Posted By: 91344George
Originally Posted By: daves87rs
It seems all cars are going up quite a bit...
They certainly are but the ordinary American's ability to afford those increases is becoming less and less possible.
Today's cars are..... Too complicated, too heavy, too feature laden, too complex (electronics) and certainly way too expensive.
And I'm going to be the one to point out that not everyone wants a completely stripped out, no radio, no A/C, no power locks, power windows, no sound deadening, carb'ed OHV engine, 5 speed manual, car, that will crumple like a tin can in any accident.
And the few people that do want a stripped down car are too cheap to buy it new!
And most of them are right here on BITOG, lol! But I agree with NickR - I spend a lot of time in my car so I want it nice!
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
Looks like GM is trying to bring it up market and move the Cruze into the $20k nitch.
Don't know if it will work, a $30k Malibu is starting to edge into BMW 3 series, A4, and Lexus ES territory, especially on the leases.
In the mid west since American cars seem to be preferred they will probably do ok with this, around here...well lets see.
Still chancey in the midwest....in my area I found 2 Buick Lacrosses that were around $31500. $30,500 for a Chevy vs. $31,500 for a Buick (and this is sticker, mind you, I haven't dickered yet), and I'd be seriously looking at the Buick.
Looks like GM is trying to bring it up market and move the Cruze into the $20k nitch.
Don't know if it will work, a $30k Malibu is starting to edge into BMW 3 series, A4, and Lexus ES territory, especially on the leases.
In the mid west since American cars seem to be preferred they will probably do ok with this, around here...well lets see.
Still chancey in the midwest....in my area I found 2 Buick Lacrosses that were around $31500. $30,500 for a Chevy vs. $31,500 for a Buick (and this is sticker, mind you, I haven't dickered yet), and I'd be seriously looking at the Buick.
Find me a new BMW for 30k. I'm sure they theoretically exist, I just haven't seen it.
This guy likes it, got better than EPA mpg. To me it looks like a larger version of the Cruze, especially from the front.
http://www.freep.com/article/20120301/COL14/203010400/1014/business01
http://www.freep.com/article/20120301/COL14/203010400/1014/business01
Originally Posted By: opus1
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
Looks like GM is trying to bring it up market and move the Cruze into the $20k nitch.
Don't know if it will work, a $30k Malibu is starting to edge into BMW 3 series, A4, and Lexus ES territory, especially on the leases.
In the mid west since American cars seem to be preferred they will probably do ok with this, around here...well lets see.
Still chancey in the midwest....in my area I found 2 Buick Lacrosses that were around $31500. $30,500 for a Chevy vs. $31,500 for a Buick (and this is sticker, mind you, I haven't dickered yet), and I'd be seriously looking at the Buick.
From what I have seen most vehicles west of the Mississippi until you hit say CA are American.
Around here its just the opposite.
Buick, Chevy..whats the difference?
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
Looks like GM is trying to bring it up market and move the Cruze into the $20k nitch.
Don't know if it will work, a $30k Malibu is starting to edge into BMW 3 series, A4, and Lexus ES territory, especially on the leases.
In the mid west since American cars seem to be preferred they will probably do ok with this, around here...well lets see.
Still chancey in the midwest....in my area I found 2 Buick Lacrosses that were around $31500. $30,500 for a Chevy vs. $31,500 for a Buick (and this is sticker, mind you, I haven't dickered yet), and I'd be seriously looking at the Buick.
From what I have seen most vehicles west of the Mississippi until you hit say CA are American.
Around here its just the opposite.
Buick, Chevy..whats the difference?
Actually the Buicks have changed dramatically in the last couple of years.
Dynamite little 4 banger turbos and stick shifts available. Not your fathers Buick!
Dynamite little 4 banger turbos and stick shifts available. Not your fathers Buick!
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