Car pretty much red lined since 4 miles on it 9400 miles when I changed it. Factory VW oil
2010 VW GTI initial oil change 9400 miles
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Minimal viscosity loss, if any, as well as minimal fuel dilution.
Wear metals are high due to factory fill. There's no reason to be concerned nor is there any reason to reduce the length of the next interval.
Wear metals are high due to factory fill. There's no reason to be concerned nor is there any reason to reduce the length of the next interval.
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Originally Posted By: Unearthed
No Moly in VW FF....
I found that interesting also! It is odd considering that a lot of other car makers like to use extremely high amounts of moly in the initial fill (whether that's simply a special break in additive they have added to the oil or in the actual oil itself, who knows?)
No Moly in VW FF....
I found that interesting also! It is odd considering that a lot of other car makers like to use extremely high amounts of moly in the initial fill (whether that's simply a special break in additive they have added to the oil or in the actual oil itself, who knows?)
Originally Posted By: Anies
Factory fill doesn't look impressive at all additive wise. Low additives all around.
Low SAPS oil. MB 229.51 / VW 504.00/507.00 / ACEA C3.
Check out M1 5w30 ESP and M1 ESP Formula M 5w40.
http://www.mobil.com/usa-english/motoroil/files/mobil_1_product_guide.pdf
Same ZDDP levels as SM/GF-4 according to that chart.
Factory fill doesn't look impressive at all additive wise. Low additives all around.
Low SAPS oil. MB 229.51 / VW 504.00/507.00 / ACEA C3.
Check out M1 5w30 ESP and M1 ESP Formula M 5w40.
http://www.mobil.com/usa-english/motoroil/files/mobil_1_product_guide.pdf
Same ZDDP levels as SM/GF-4 according to that chart.
Glad I dumped my FF at 1000 miles.
Originally Posted By: CougarRed
OP - why would you choose to drive 9400 miles on factory fill oil?
Why not? He's following the recommendations of his owner's manual.
OP - why would you choose to drive 9400 miles on factory fill oil?
Why not? He's following the recommendations of his owner's manual.
Originally Posted By: CougarRed
OP - why would you choose to drive 9400 miles on factory fill oil?
VW says change it at 10k. Ive read 100 different things on when to change the oil so I changed it as close as 10k as I could and then shipped it to Blackstone to see whats up. I refilled with Mobil 1 ESP I am not using any BP products(Castrol).
OP - why would you choose to drive 9400 miles on factory fill oil?
VW says change it at 10k. Ive read 100 different things on when to change the oil so I changed it as close as 10k as I could and then shipped it to Blackstone to see whats up. I refilled with Mobil 1 ESP I am not using any BP products(Castrol).
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Even had he chose to 'prevent' that there is no guarantee that his engine would be any better off than it is now.
Normal report with normal numbers. Just use a nice grade of oil and a premium filter and go on.
Normal report with normal numbers. Just use a nice grade of oil and a premium filter and go on.
Originally Posted By: CougarRed
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Why not? He's following the recommendations of his owner's manual.
And he drove 9400 miles with elevated levels of iron and copper in his oil. That could have been prevented.
Folks, there is a cause and effect relationship that needs to be addressed. The wear metals you see are the effect or result of wear, they are not causing more wear.
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Why not? He's following the recommendations of his owner's manual.
And he drove 9400 miles with elevated levels of iron and copper in his oil. That could have been prevented.
Folks, there is a cause and effect relationship that needs to be addressed. The wear metals you see are the effect or result of wear, they are not causing more wear.
Originally Posted By: CougarRed
And he drove 9400 miles with elevated levels of iron and copper in his oil. That could have been prevented.
You're assuming this is something that in fact needs to be prevented, but does it? Is there proof that these levels of iron and copper are doing harm? As BobFout mentioned, they are just a byproduct of engine break-in, but not cause for concern on a new engine.
IMO, if this situation was harmful to the long-term well being of the engine, the manufacturer would have mandated an early oil change.
And he drove 9400 miles with elevated levels of iron and copper in his oil. That could have been prevented.
You're assuming this is something that in fact needs to be prevented, but does it? Is there proof that these levels of iron and copper are doing harm? As BobFout mentioned, they are just a byproduct of engine break-in, but not cause for concern on a new engine.
IMO, if this situation was harmful to the long-term well being of the engine, the manufacturer would have mandated an early oil change.
At least as of 2008, VW did recommend a change at 5K. It would be interesting to know if the change to 10K coincided with their free maintenance program.
It certainly wouldn't have hurt to change it at 5K. It is hard to know if it would have really helped anything.
Is ESP the right choice for the fresh oil? I thought it was not?
robert
It certainly wouldn't have hurt to change it at 5K. It is hard to know if it would have really helped anything.
Is ESP the right choice for the fresh oil? I thought it was not?
robert
Originally Posted By: robertcope
Is ESP the right choice for the fresh oil?
In Europe (where the OP is) it is.
Is ESP the right choice for the fresh oil?
In Europe (where the OP is) it is.
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
In Europe (where the OP is) it is.
Doh, missed that. I wonder if the US gets different FF?
robert
In Europe (where the OP is) it is.
Doh, missed that. I wonder if the US gets different FF?
robert
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