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Hello, a noobie here looking for advice!
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I am looking to do the first oil change on my new Honda Fit 1.5L and would like to go with a larger filter than the tiny stock filter that it comes with from the factory. There looks to be about 4"'s of extra room lengthwise and several inches widthwise.

Question #1 is what brand of filter should I go with that I can get at walmart or pepboy's or autozone, and what filter # do I need?

#2, What 5W-20 oil should I use? I already went to a big lots and bought 15 bottles of SLOB additive that I plan on feeding my new Fit, thanks to the heads up from this board, so what oil would complement this?


Thanks in advance and take it easy on the NOOB!
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I know on my wife's old 1998 Civic, the WIX 51347 did not leak.

But I don't know if it won't leak on the Fit or newer 2001-2006 Civics.
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Originally posted by Chris Meutsch:
Go with M1 0w20 and forget the SLOB for now.
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I was planning on going with a dino oil or possibly a mix(?) for the first oil change, as I do want to change the oil after another 4,000 miles to make sure all the engine break in garbage is gone. Then I want to go with the best oil/ good oil filter and go at least 7,500 between changes.

What advantage will I get going with the M1 0w20 instead of the 5w20, and you say NOT to use the slob?
 
I don't think the 51347 will work, as the gasket size is too big.

Part Number: 51347
Gasket Diameters
Number O.D. I.D. Thk.
15597 2.734 2.430 0.226


Looks like this is the Wix filter that is called for:
Part Number: 51356
UPC Number: 765809513563
Principal Application: Acura (02-06), Chrysler Imports (92-06), Ford Probe (93-97), Honda (01-06), Infiniti/Nissan (96-06), Mazda (71-00), Mercury Villager (99-00), Mitsubishi (90-06), Saturn (04-06), Outboard Marine Engines, Various HD Equip.
All Applications
Style: Spin-On Lube Filter
Service: Lube
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 3.402
Outer Diameter Top: 2.685
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Beta Ratio: 2/20=6/19
Burst Pressure-PSI: 363
Max Flow Rate: 9-11 GPM
Nominal Micro Rating: 19

Gasket Diameters
Number O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.475 2.173 0.233
 
I am one of many that would probably recommend that you change the oil sooner than 4,000 miles. I know that if I bought a new car I would probably change it around 500 miles. I take care of a Mazda 3 that isn't mine but one that I take care of because it is owned by a family member and I have taken care of the cars in the family for quite some time. The owner refused to have it changed too early so it was changed around the mark that you are thinking of changing it. I didn't see anything come out other than clean oil but doing a search on this forum brought up a few stories of visible break-in wear metal that drained out on the first oil change. I'd hate for that to be in there for that long, although the chances are small for any significant engine damage I would still recommend getting it changed sooner, I know others will chime in. I assume that 7,500 is the recommended oil change interval by Honda, I wouldn't see it being any problem going to that after your first change. If you are looking for a good dino Havoline is excellent and has been brining in good UOA's and has a nice amount of anti-wear additives such as moly and it is also what I am using in the Mazda 3 that I mentioned earlier. I'll have to let others recommend the filter.
 
Pure1 PL14459, Wix 51334, M1-104, K&N HP-1004. Havoline 5w20 for first OCI or two. Any 0-5w20 synthetic from there on. Forget the SLOB.
 
Since I'm not aware which part of the country "changing my oil" is in, I don't know whether you're in Canada or Arizona. So, the benefits of a zero-weight are up in the air for you.
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However, I believe the thinnest possible oil that's spec'd for any particular engine is the way to go. You cannot possibly hurt any vehicle that calls for 0w/5w20 from the factory by using it properly. (Back-spec'd Fords, that's a different story, use at your own discretion.)
Go 7500/10k on synthetic, or go 5k on something like Havoline or Exxon Superflo dino. Unless you want to go 20k on a proven syn with lots of monitoring of the oil condition, I wouldn't worry about the SLOB. But, it's your peace of mind and car, so drive happy.
 
I am in Chicago, so we get the worst of both worlds! 0 degree temps in the winter, 100 degree temps in the summer!

I think I will go with the Havoline oil, at least for the firdt oil change or two. Specs call for 5w20, so that is what I will use.

I am really surprised at people saying to forget the SLOB. It looks like it would be a perfect match for the Havoline. Lots of Moly from the oil additives package, with the added boost from the SLOB?
 
I think that the school of thought is that there is a possibility of competing AW properties looking for the same turf. It's the same as mixing different brands. There's also too much of a good thing.

Hondas tend to wear fine (not at all) without any vitamins or minerals added to their diet
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Hondas tend to wear fine (not at all) without any vitamins or minerals added to their diet
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Yup, thats why my wife's 2006 Civic EX will just get 5w20 dino oil, nothing else. I'm glad I bought 48 quarts of 5w20 Pennzoil at the Home Depot closeout sale.
 
Dude, just use the 51356 and leave it alone. Any benefit you gain from the larger filter will be minimal at best and the risks are enormous, if something were to go wrong.

LT4Vette- When did you buy the Civic?
 
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Originally posted by The Critic:
Dude, just use the 51356 and leave it alone. Any benefit you gain from the larger filter will be minimal at best and the risks are enormous, if something were to go wrong.
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I guarantee no problems will result with the filters I listed.
 
So if the engine fails, is he going to go after you?

Btw- The oversized M1-104 filter on a TL works fine, but the filter then becomes much more suspectible to damage from road debris.
 
Critter- thems fightin werds
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btw- the oversized M1 fitler that you're recommending is among those listed.


If it fails ..who's he gonna go after? You?
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Just make intelligent alterations in filter choices. Assure no leaks at first cold start. Beyond that, it's doubtful that anything is going to happen. More is always better ..at least in terms of perception.
 
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Originally posted by The Critic:
More info on the filter incident, here:

http://tl.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112343
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You've got to be kidding me. That guy hit a monstrous pothole and did enough damage to ruin one of his rims. Honda/Acura isn't going to cover that no matter what oil filter you're using.

I'll give you this. If you hit a monstrous pothole and don't have enough mechanical inclination to immediately carefully inspect the suspension and anything near it, yep, don't stray from the manufacturer's recommendations.

Kids these days. I don't know how you drive around with a leaking oil filter and not notice.

Here's a tip most Dads teach their sons: anytime you pull away from where you parked, even for a minute, you should always look for signs of fluid leakage. Teach yourself to do that without thought and you'll save yourself from a catastrophic event some day.

Here's the dimensions for some of the filters mentioned. If you don't have the mechanical aptitude to check for clearance issues, stay with the stock filter recommendations.

Wix 51356 - OEM size
Height: 3.402
Outer Diameter: 2.685

Wix 51334
Height: 3.194
Outer Diameter: 3.252

Pure1 PL14610 - OEM size
Height: 3.52
Outer Diameter: 2.69

Pure1 PL14459
Height: 2.95
Outer Diameter: 3.15

K&N HP-1010 - OEM size
Height: 3.75
Outer Diameter: 2.781

K&N HP-1004
Height: 3.48
Outer Diameter: 3.12
 
There are no risks to using a larger filter.

Use a little common sense. Make sure thread size is the same, that it has an ADBV, that the O-ring doesn't hang off the mount, that there are no leaks, and that there is a reasonable bypass PSI.

There are plenty of 20mm oversized filters. Wix seems to still make most sizes .

Some Wix/Napa/Carquest sizes to look at:
51626 (mount dependent)
51381
51334
51344 (best choice)
51356
51365
51347 (best choice)
51287
51182
51285
51523
51324
51357
 
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