2006 VW GLI requirements

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currently use Mobil 1 0W-40 in my 2001 1.8T. Would there be any benefit to changing to a 504/507 oil?
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A VW 504 oil will result in less pollution and should extend life of emissions control components like cat and O2 sensors in the latest VW engines. VW 504 and VW 507 are absolutely compatible with older engines, but I don't know if those oils' benefits apply to your older engine.

VW 504 (for gas engines) and VW 507 (for diesel engines) have the typical VW/Audi-mandated minimum HTHS of 3.5, but from what I have seen, you won't be finding any considerably higher HTHS either. Will a higher HTSH protect better? Maybe, but probably it is non-issue with normally driven cars. I'm shooting for oils with an HTHS of 3.7 and up, but that's me. VW 502 is true and tested and that's why it's still my top choice amongst the VW oil specs for gassers.

I don't think we know yet how well those new VW oils (VW 504/507) perform. If I were you, I'd stick with a VW 502 oil, or go hogwild and use M1 5W-40. ;-)
 
I found some Castrol Syntec 5w-40 at AZ that carries the VW 502.00 standard. I guess that is what I will be using along with oil filters from the dealer. The funny thing is that I spoke with the service manager and asked what they use and he said conventional Castrol. I then asked about synthetic and he said he doesn't recommend it.
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VW seriously needs to educate their service personel. What that VW person said just oozes pi$$ poor training and no engine experience. He's just a pencil pusher in my opinion and should probably be out on the lot trying to sell cars.

[rant on]Hearing stuff like this makes me mad because they're just so blatantly wrong. Haven't they learned anything from the whole 1.8T problem last year? You'd figure VW would get the service people on the same page as the engineers. It's obvious that hasn't happened yet.[rant off]
 
Amsoil 5W-40 has an HTHS of 4.2

What other requirements dies the 504/507 specify other that
minimum HTHS of 3.5?

My VW dealer just uses regular whatever is cheaper 5W-30 dino
oil. Usually Valvoline. Does Valvoline 5W-30 have any
VW rating?

I get a little irritated when OEM requirements for a engine oil
are ignored by the servicing dealers. VW drain intervals are a
lot longer than 3k even in turbos. It's now wonder so many of
the 1.8Turbo's with the lower sump capacity are sludging up.
Craig
 
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What other requirements dies the 504/507 specify other that minimum HTHS of 3.5?
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VW tests generally include

- ACEA performance level
- allowed viscocity grades
- sulfated ash limit (lower in VW 504/507 compared to all other VW oil specs)
- minimum HTHS at 150 degr. C
- seal compatibility
- valve train wear limit
- piston cleanliness/wear
- VW T4 test
- sludge test
- evaporation limit, depending on viscosity
 
Hi,
for those people that do not believe that an engine Manufacturer's "Approval" tests have any relevance, it is time we all got used to them and their relevance in a wider picture. There will be more of it as the Auto Industry rationalises iself Internationally and seriously prepares for alternative propulsion systems and rising costs

In developing VW506.01 VW (for their pump nozzle injection system - like some diesels have had since 1985)- they needed to develop some new test protocols. They did this in concert with Castrol - their annointed Oil Company - and tested the theory by extensive "real end user" field trials!
One test - a 1000hour radionucleide test - was designed to measure microscopic wear rates, measured in nanometres (one millionth of a millimetre), per hour

VW like MB, Porsche, and BMW usually use their existing specification datum point specification(s) when building up a new one
In the case of MB this has been their way for several decades!

It is the way with Euro diesel engine makers too

John said in jest - "The same dealers who put VW-branded Castrol dino in 1.8Ts for years?"

Trusting a Dealer is foolhardy if you own the piece of iron! In this case and in the meantime I would default to a VW Listed oil like ELF or M1 0w-40!

At a stretch, as moribundman said;
"If I were you, I'd stick with a VW 502 oil, or go hogwild and use M1 5W-40. ;-)

Doug
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Originally posted by Gilitar:
I found some Castrol Syntec 5w-40 at AZ that carries the VW 502.00 standard. I guess that is what I will be using along with oil filters from the dealer. The funny thing is that I spoke with the service manager and asked what they use and he said conventional Castrol. I then asked about synthetic and he said he doesn't recommend it.
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He doesn't recommend it...
Did you ask WHY?

It seems a lot of people just blindly believe all the bs coming from the dealer service personnel.
They work in the field - they must know.
I can tell you from my multiple face to face discussions with many service department employees at one of the best multiple brand dealerships in my area that the most of them (like 99.9%) don't know sh@t about the motor oils.

And the most outrageous thing is that they DON'T want to know. That includes the Service Manager.
OIL is OIL is OIL for them.
Learning anything about the motor oils beside the grade differences is a colossal waste of time to them.

[ September 29, 2005, 02:40 AM: Message edited by: vad ]
 
It's a nice contrast, though, when you meet an exception. After I developed a relationship with the former service manager at my Toyota dealership he actually loosened up and started giving me some real info. Most interesting and valuable (and shocking -- this was way pre-BITOG) was his disclosure and explanation of the 1MZ's sludge issues. Shocking, because at the time, I owned a pre-mod 1MZ car. His advice: use Mobil-1 and change it every 5k miles. So there are certainly some who know something and care about their customers. Sadly, however, his replacement is another story. . .
 
I stopped at the VW dealer this morning and asked to see their oil applications chart for the 2.0t gas engine. Here was what was delivered to the dealerships for their service requirements:

If vehicle is equipped with long-life service interval monitor then use the new specification 504/507 oil.

If vehicle is not using long-life service interval monitor then use oil specification 502/505 (505.00 and not the interim spec 505.01)

Oddly the oil viscosity recommendation for engines without the long life monitor was 10W-40. And of course the viscosity for the long life monitor equipped engines was 5W-30.

Note: this was a dealership in Töging, Germany, that gave me this information and not a dealership in the US.

So I will suggest that you stick with a full synthetic 5W-40 that meets 502.00 and 505.00 unless you just want to pay the higher price for the low SAPS, light viscosity oils. Personally I'd love to see some fuel economy data with the newer oils to see if there is a improvement.

And one last note, the drain interval for this engine without oil life monitor is 15,000km's.
 
Ok, so far I have found Castrol and Valvoline 5w-40 synthetic oils that meet VW 502.00. Now... which is better? I will be running 5,000 miles between changes.
 
Neither. Both are old formulations from 1998, meeting the generic A3 spec. More particularly, Castrol for VW 502 and the Valvoline formulated for BMW. I might not have proof reference about the details, but VOA of the Castrol shows cheap magnesium-based additive package. Not the best and potentially harmfull to a new engine, imo. FTR- the VW 502 sequence was run on an old VW 2.0 4-banger, hardly high-tech and not the reference standard I'd want, certianly not up to hardcore BitOGer standards when there are better choices at the same price point. Pass the GC.
 
AMSoil
GC
Mobil 1 0w-40/5w-40/5w-30 EP
Motul 0w-40
BMW 0w-40
Delo 5w-40


I'm just not hot on those 1998 A3 oils, esp 5w-40 Syntec. Just my opinion.
 
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Originally posted by Audi Junkie:
AMSoil
GC
Mobil 1 0w-40/5w-40/5w-30 EP
Motul 0w-40
BMW 0w-40
Delo 5w-40


I'm just not hot on those 1998 A3 oils, esp 5w-40 Syntec. Just my opinion.
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Am I missing something or are most of these oils not even VW 502.00 certified. The only one on this list that is certified and readily available is Mobil 1 0w-40. I am looking to satisfy warranty requirements by using a readily available oil.

So out of these three which serves my purpose best?

Mobil 1 0w-40
Valvoline Synpower 5w-40
Castrol Syntec 5w-40

Also, I live in a very hot and humid climate, so cold temps are of no concern.
 
I can't believe the VW dealer does not have or know of an oil that meets the vehicle that it's selling's oil specs. Think I'll go by the shop tomorrow.
 
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Originally posted by slickfisher:
I can't believe the VW dealer does not have or know of an oil that meets the vehicle that it's selling's oil specs. Think I'll go by the shop tomorrow.
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They probably do, but after recommending dino oil I just don't trust them.
 
Hi,
Gilitar - the best oil option readily available to you is M1 0w-40. Regardless of the hype from others it is surely one of the worlds great oils that other would like to emulate!

Doug
 
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Originally posted by vad:

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Originally posted by Gilitar:
So out of these three which serves my purpose best?

Mobil 1 0w-40
Valvoline Synpower 5w-40
Castrol Syntec 5w-40
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Castrol Syntec 5w-40 is NOT GC.
GC comes only in one weight - 0w-30.
GC exceeds VW 502 00, 505 00, 503 01.
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I never said that Syntec 5w-40 is GC. I was just listing the oils that are available that have the vw 502.00 rating. Now, what I didn't realize is that GC meets VW requirements. I wonder what consumption would be like with GC though. I am skeptical about using GC in such a hot climate.
 
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