I have a 2007 Honda Accord V6 with 84K on it and it's been one of the best cars I've been associated with. It's had some issues, but aside from brakes, tires, a belt and tensioner, the only non maintenance "problems" were a seized rear brake caliper and a pressure switch on the transmission. The paint started peeling on the roof after the warranty expired and Honda corporate was extremely accommodating. Even though I had 70K on it and it was 5 years old, and paint is covered for 3 years/36K, they repainted the roof for me. I only had to pay $200 out of the $1000 cost. So my car, the dealer, and the district manager were all excellent. The Honda engineers even drove up from Marysville, Ohio up to Cleveland to inspect the peeling paint to determine the root cause and flaw in their process that caused it. This happened last year in 2012...this does not sound like a company that does not care about quality if you ask me.
2006 and newer Hondas - a disappointment
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My experience with my 2007 Accord Coupe 2.4 has been good and reliable to.
As far as dealerships go they have been great. When I've gone to pick up a part everyone has been polite and helpful.
Don't agree at all with Honda being bad in general. Do agree that it's more of a bad service issue at a dealership.
My experience with my 2007 Accord Coupe 2.4 has been good and reliable to.
As far as dealerships go they have been great. When I've gone to pick up a part everyone has been polite and helpful.
Don't agree at all with Honda being bad in general. Do agree that it's more of a bad service issue at a dealership.
I had the same problems back in 2002. Bought a brand new Honda and at 10,000 miles engine was shot. When to six different dealerships and Honda arbitration. No one would help. No one could believe a Honda was bad or Honda corporate would not help. Honda does make some lemons, problem is they will not stand behind there product.
OK, here we go.
"at 10,000 miles the engine was shot". What is the meaning of "shot"? Did you do anything to cause a failure? You don't state whether you did or didn't. And you went to six dealerships and no one helped you? While the vehicle was under warranty? No assistance whatsoever? And so what, you walked away angry while you had a warranty?
"They will not stand behind their product". This smells like total B. S. unless you give more details. Your story has more holes in it than my old BMW.
It also sounds a lot like this thread:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/2012-chevy-silver-silverado-drive-shaft.200503/
Where you went to "5 dealerships" and they could not help.
and this one where you wanted a buyback because the dealership could not fix it, then you sold it, and bought another Chevrolet:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/2012-chevy-silver-silverado-drive-shaft.200503/
Originally Posted By: millerbl00
I had the same problems back in 2002. Bought a brand new Honda and at 10,000 miles engine was shot. When to six different dealerships and Honda arbitration. No one would help. No one could believe a Honda was bad or Honda corporate would not help. Honda does make some lemons, problem is they will not stand behind there product.
"at 10,000 miles the engine was shot". What is the meaning of "shot"? Did you do anything to cause a failure? You don't state whether you did or didn't. And you went to six dealerships and no one helped you? While the vehicle was under warranty? No assistance whatsoever? And so what, you walked away angry while you had a warranty?
"They will not stand behind their product". This smells like total B. S. unless you give more details. Your story has more holes in it than my old BMW.
It also sounds a lot like this thread:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/2012-chevy-silver-silverado-drive-shaft.200503/
Where you went to "5 dealerships" and they could not help.
and this one where you wanted a buyback because the dealership could not fix it, then you sold it, and bought another Chevrolet:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/2012-chevy-silver-silverado-drive-shaft.200503/
Originally Posted By: millerbl00
I had the same problems back in 2002. Bought a brand new Honda and at 10,000 miles engine was shot. When to six different dealerships and Honda arbitration. No one would help. No one could believe a Honda was bad or Honda corporate would not help. Honda does make some lemons, problem is they will not stand behind there product.
Honda has made some very good reliable vehicles over the years. Now, I am no hater, but here is a real world Honda mess for you.... My wife is a nurse, a lady she works with in her field just purchased a brand new Civic in May this year. Flash forward too this morning, at my breakfast table, Her friend in tears over her car not running and its broke down awaiting the dealer too call with diagnosis. Apparently, its been serviced three times since date of purchase, two of which oil changes by dealer, and one other service by them she cant recall what for. Long story short, transmission had no fluid in it. Dont think i need too explain what happened and why its not running... Honda dealer is refusing too fix it under warranty as per the owners manual, its the owners responsibility too make sure all fluid levels are at appropriate levels for normal function of the car. Or some mumbo jumbo the manager is telling her. She dropped a $5k downpayment, still owes over $20k as she had too have every feature listed, 1st time car buyer, and doesnt make enough money too replace a brand new car nor fight a full on legal battle with an attorney in tow milking her. Dealer basically told her, pay too get it fixed, or see you in court if you choose too do so..... good work Honda! I have owned a few of them over the years never had this type of experience, but if Honda is backing things like this....i dunno.... i do acknowledge, too a degree, they have a point, but it should be required too go too a class before driving away too make sure people like my wifes friend know how too check fluids levels, change tires, etc. and dont get run over by greedy dealers. Gotta read the fine print i guess...
My 95 & wife's 96 Civic's were text book case for myself and wife for Honda golden reliability. Little done to them and sold for lots of money in the end (~200k/10yrs).
I have a recent Honda(07 Acura MDX) and it is not as golden. A failed AC clutch relay(DIY for $7) and now an accessory belt tensioner. I have 106k miles. Hardly a disappointment.
I like it enough that I would walk easily into a Honda or Acura dealership again and at least try out the offers.
At least Honda/Acura is a decent car maker who offers manual transmissions still.
I have a recent Honda(07 Acura MDX) and it is not as golden. A failed AC clutch relay(DIY for $7) and now an accessory belt tensioner. I have 106k miles. Hardly a disappointment.
I like it enough that I would walk easily into a Honda or Acura dealership again and at least try out the offers.
At least Honda/Acura is a decent car maker who offers manual transmissions still.
If you look at the data. Honda has continued to improve quality, just like the other makers. It's measured and quantifiable. The stories of someones neighbor's brothers friend with a Civic that would not start does not matter.
Not only are Honda's (and others) better built they are also much much safer in a crash. Honda and others make the best cars they've ever made.
Not only are Honda's (and others) better built they are also much much safer in a crash. Honda and others make the best cars they've ever made.
Wow, you Honda guys are almost as defensive as us Mazda guys.
I think just about everyone on this site has a horror story of sorts about one car maker or another, often times due to the dealership's inability to solve the problem or even acknowledge your problem exists. (That's normal) Most of us have heard that in response to a complaint. Honda makes great cars, very few people would argue that, but they are not exempt from having some lousy dealers, which is probably the biggest issue with new cars these days. A bad dealership experience will sour most people on that particular manufacturer. I think most people are ok with having a issue, even if it's a new car as long as the issue is acknowledged and quickly rectified.
I think just about everyone on this site has a horror story of sorts about one car maker or another, often times due to the dealership's inability to solve the problem or even acknowledge your problem exists. (That's normal) Most of us have heard that in response to a complaint. Honda makes great cars, very few people would argue that, but they are not exempt from having some lousy dealers, which is probably the biggest issue with new cars these days. A bad dealership experience will sour most people on that particular manufacturer. I think most people are ok with having a issue, even if it's a new car as long as the issue is acknowledged and quickly rectified.
IDK
Our '12 Accord is our latest Honda.
It's also our seventh.
It is quiet, fast, economical and roomy.
It's had zero issues in the 11K we've driven it to date.
The only thing it has in common with our first, a '76 Civic 1500 hatch, is the badge, although that isn't quite the same either.
Every Honda we've ever owned has been a durable and reliable car for well over 100K and ten years.
YMMV
Our '12 Accord is our latest Honda.
It's also our seventh.
It is quiet, fast, economical and roomy.
It's had zero issues in the 11K we've driven it to date.
The only thing it has in common with our first, a '76 Civic 1500 hatch, is the badge, although that isn't quite the same either.
Every Honda we've ever owned has been a durable and reliable car for well over 100K and ten years.
YMMV
Originally Posted By: kschachn
OK, here we go.
"at 10,000 miles the engine was shot". What is the meaning of "shot"? Did you do anything to cause a failure? You don't state whether you did or didn't. And you went to six dealerships and no one helped you? While the vehicle was under warranty? No assistance whatsoever? And so what, you walked away angry while you had a warranty?
"They will not stand behind their product". This smells like total B. S. unless you give more details. Your story has more holes in it than my old BMW.
I'm with you on this. Something doesn't add up here. I don't think we're getting the full story. Too many generalities and vague posts.
OK, here we go.
"at 10,000 miles the engine was shot". What is the meaning of "shot"? Did you do anything to cause a failure? You don't state whether you did or didn't. And you went to six dealerships and no one helped you? While the vehicle was under warranty? No assistance whatsoever? And so what, you walked away angry while you had a warranty?
"They will not stand behind their product". This smells like total B. S. unless you give more details. Your story has more holes in it than my old BMW.
I'm with you on this. Something doesn't add up here. I don't think we're getting the full story. Too many generalities and vague posts.
All cars are about the same, all manufacturers have a couple lemons and a couple gems. When you turn the wheels off the dealer's lot, you just have to hope that you got one of the good ones and not one of the few bad ones built. I fail to see one brand being significantly better than another.
This is why brand fanboys and haters annoy me.
In almost 20 years of driving, I've been lucky and never had a bad one of any brand!
This is why brand fanboys and haters annoy me.
In almost 20 years of driving, I've been lucky and never had a bad one of any brand!
Originally Posted By: dishdude
All cars are about the same...
LOL~ You read the strangest things on internet forums.
All cars are about the same...
LOL~ You read the strangest things on internet forums.
Some stories posted here are full of holes and missing facts. I tend to believe folks more who have stuff happen first hand. However 2nd hand only the drama comes out and likely not the true conclusion of story as that is less interesting and trivial.
This is not specific to Honda but ANY vehicle.
This is not specific to Honda but ANY vehicle.
Wow this thread has gotten way out of hand. I'm not saying everyone should run away from Honda or never drive one again. My point is that many people on this forum and others think Honda can do no wrong. Are they really perfect and the dealerships in my area are just all owned by the same morons? It is certainly possible. I'm just going by the experiences I've had with those around me. I'm not a Honda basher, and the fanboys really need to chill out. Its funny how you can post a bad thing about GM on here and nobody thinks twice about it. Post something about a Honda and everyone says your stories are full of holes and there is not enough info. I know so much about these cars around me because I'm the one who helps service them. Like you, I'm a car guy, and take notice when something isn't right with another person's ride. I just finished a transmission fluid change on my sister's 2005 Civic and it was extremely easy to DIY. My point is that everyone should research a car before they buy. Buying on brand loyalty alone is a good way to get burned.
Originally Posted By: Maximus1966
Originally Posted By: dishdude
All cars are about the same...
LOL~ You read the strangest things on internet forums.
Name me a brand new 2013 car that will fall apart before 100k or not make it to 200k with proper care and maintenance?
Reliability wise they are all about the same - good.
Originally Posted By: dishdude
All cars are about the same...
LOL~ You read the strangest things on internet forums.
Name me a brand new 2013 car that will fall apart before 100k or not make it to 200k with proper care and maintenance?
Reliability wise they are all about the same - good.
Entire valve train was shot. Sounded like a diesel. I did nothing to it, yes I changed the oil. Yes vehicle was under warranty. No I did not walk away angry.
The dealership ruined my Chevy, I bought another Chevy because of the 100,000 mile warranty.
You just dont want to belive a Honda could be a lemon or a dealership could be incompetent.
Originally Posted By: kschachn
OK, here we go.
"at 10,000 miles the engine was shot". What is the meaning of "shot"? Did you do anything to cause a failure? You don't state whether you did or didn't. And you went to six dealerships and no one helped you? While the vehicle was under warranty? No assistance whatsoever? And so what, you walked away angry while you had a warranty?
"They will not stand behind their product". This smells like total B. S. unless you give more details. Your story has more holes in it than my old BMW.
It also sounds a lot like this thread:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/2012-chevy-silver-silverado-drive-shaft.200503/
Where you went to "5 dealerships" and they could not help.
and this one where you wanted a buyback because the dealership could not fix it, then you sold it, and bought another Chevrolet:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/2012-chevy-silver-silverado-drive-shaft.200503/
Originally Posted By: millerbl00
I had the same problems back in 2002. Bought a brand new Honda and at 10,000 miles engine was shot. When to six different dealerships and Honda arbitration. No one would help. No one could believe a Honda was bad or Honda corporate would not help. Honda does make some lemons, problem is they will not stand behind there product.
The dealership ruined my Chevy, I bought another Chevy because of the 100,000 mile warranty.
You just dont want to belive a Honda could be a lemon or a dealership could be incompetent.
Originally Posted By: kschachn
OK, here we go.
"at 10,000 miles the engine was shot". What is the meaning of "shot"? Did you do anything to cause a failure? You don't state whether you did or didn't. And you went to six dealerships and no one helped you? While the vehicle was under warranty? No assistance whatsoever? And so what, you walked away angry while you had a warranty?
"They will not stand behind their product". This smells like total B. S. unless you give more details. Your story has more holes in it than my old BMW.
It also sounds a lot like this thread:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/2012-chevy-silver-silverado-drive-shaft.200503/
Where you went to "5 dealerships" and they could not help.
and this one where you wanted a buyback because the dealership could not fix it, then you sold it, and bought another Chevrolet:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/2012-chevy-silver-silverado-drive-shaft.200503/
Originally Posted By: millerbl00
I had the same problems back in 2002. Bought a brand new Honda and at 10,000 miles engine was shot. When to six different dealerships and Honda arbitration. No one would help. No one could believe a Honda was bad or Honda corporate would not help. Honda does make some lemons, problem is they will not stand behind there product.
Thank you, tired of the Honda Puffery and windage
The other thing I will say is there service is dependant on dealer, and their Honda Corparate is as bad at weazling out of warranty as any of the other OEM's
My family had hondas in the 70's and 80's and they were truly terible cars, CVCC junk engines and 2 spd autos LOL and fenders that rotted out in 2 years, Honda never stepped up to fix them unlike what everyone here claims.
I agree with you when the cows dont follow the herd and bring em in for the 900$ 30K service every 30k and just drive until they break, neglect the fluids etc they fail just like all the others, there is a reason all the Honda stores have service bays just like all the others!
Originally Posted By: itguy08
I'll counter with:
Hondas have always been mediocre cars. They have a fun to drive aura and people that bought them generally kept up with the maintenance. So that alone explained the "better reliability" rather than a genuine quality gap. I've been in a few of those older Hondas and they were nothing special and certainly had issues, just like everyone else.
I think now people are buying Hondas, not taking care of them (or the quality is not that great) and they are failing just like everyone else. Or there are genuine defects *COUGH* HONDA TRANSMISSIONS *COUGH*.
And BTW, I'm not impressed with that 200k Honda you spoke about. I had an 86 Mustang 2.3L that had 175k on the original engine and transmission, only reason it went to the boneyard was rust, and that was in 2005. And it was not a fluke, also inherited an 87 Escort that I got 125k out of before I traded it in (it had no AC and I wanted a new car after graduating college).
The take away is - Honda is overrated and everyone has issues.
The other thing I will say is there service is dependant on dealer, and their Honda Corparate is as bad at weazling out of warranty as any of the other OEM's
My family had hondas in the 70's and 80's and they were truly terible cars, CVCC junk engines and 2 spd autos LOL and fenders that rotted out in 2 years, Honda never stepped up to fix them unlike what everyone here claims.
I agree with you when the cows dont follow the herd and bring em in for the 900$ 30K service every 30k and just drive until they break, neglect the fluids etc they fail just like all the others, there is a reason all the Honda stores have service bays just like all the others!
Originally Posted By: itguy08
I'll counter with:
Hondas have always been mediocre cars. They have a fun to drive aura and people that bought them generally kept up with the maintenance. So that alone explained the "better reliability" rather than a genuine quality gap. I've been in a few of those older Hondas and they were nothing special and certainly had issues, just like everyone else.
I think now people are buying Hondas, not taking care of them (or the quality is not that great) and they are failing just like everyone else. Or there are genuine defects *COUGH* HONDA TRANSMISSIONS *COUGH*.
And BTW, I'm not impressed with that 200k Honda you spoke about. I had an 86 Mustang 2.3L that had 175k on the original engine and transmission, only reason it went to the boneyard was rust, and that was in 2005. And it was not a fluke, also inherited an 87 Escort that I got 125k out of before I traded it in (it had no AC and I wanted a new car after graduating college).
The take away is - Honda is overrated and everyone has issues.
I loved my Honda's and still respect Honda today although, I don't want to miss out on other manufactures' offereings as, the competition has certainly cought up all over the world.
Honda today, certainly IS NOT the automotive darling that they once were...expecially when all other vehicles('cept Toyota) were sub standard back in their[Honda] Hayday(mostly the 80's/90's).
Today, Honda just does not make that HUGE SpLaSh in the pool with their new models. And although, they're still reliable vehicles and worthy of consideration when buying vehicles, they are not without problems.
I do know folks that owned Honda vehicles(during Honda's Hayday) and their Honda's were less than steller, even very dissapointing! It just happens I guess
When I started buying Honda vehicles in the mid-late 80's, it wasn't so much about what I liked in Honda vehicles, as it was what I disliked about the other Mfg's vehicles.
There was much about Honda's that I didn't like such as, interior noise and not that comfortable and could be a tiny bit quirky. But, they did so many other thing sooooo well and were very reliable.
Honda today, certainly IS NOT the automotive darling that they once were...expecially when all other vehicles('cept Toyota) were sub standard back in their[Honda] Hayday(mostly the 80's/90's).
Today, Honda just does not make that HUGE SpLaSh in the pool with their new models. And although, they're still reliable vehicles and worthy of consideration when buying vehicles, they are not without problems.
I do know folks that owned Honda vehicles(during Honda's Hayday) and their Honda's were less than steller, even very dissapointing! It just happens I guess
When I started buying Honda vehicles in the mid-late 80's, it wasn't so much about what I liked in Honda vehicles, as it was what I disliked about the other Mfg's vehicles.
There was much about Honda's that I didn't like such as, interior noise and not that comfortable and could be a tiny bit quirky. But, they did so many other thing sooooo well and were very reliable.
I question the OP's motives. He uses a lot of circumstantial anecdotal "evidence" to show his hatred toward Honda. He makes a lot of claims that make no sense. Here's one: "the dealer fought my friend when he wanted to replace his engine with a used one". The OP sounds like someone young, and lacking education. His claims run contra to ConsumerReports stellar reviews of Honda in general.
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I have over 100 pages of doc's on my Honda problem alone. I am not going to post all of that here.
Originally Posted By: dparm
Originally Posted By: kschachn
OK, here we go.
"at 10,000 miles the engine was shot". What is the meaning of "shot"? Did you do anything to cause a failure? You don't state whether you did or didn't. And you went to six dealerships and no one helped you? While the vehicle was under warranty? No assistance whatsoever? And so what, you walked away angry while you had a warranty?
"They will not stand behind their product". This smells like total B. S. unless you give more details. Your story has more holes in it than my old BMW.
I'm with you on this. Something doesn't add up here. I don't think we're getting the full story. Too many generalities and vague posts.
Originally Posted By: dparm
Originally Posted By: kschachn
OK, here we go.
"at 10,000 miles the engine was shot". What is the meaning of "shot"? Did you do anything to cause a failure? You don't state whether you did or didn't. And you went to six dealerships and no one helped you? While the vehicle was under warranty? No assistance whatsoever? And so what, you walked away angry while you had a warranty?
"They will not stand behind their product". This smells like total B. S. unless you give more details. Your story has more holes in it than my old BMW.
I'm with you on this. Something doesn't add up here. I don't think we're getting the full story. Too many generalities and vague posts.
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