2.0 TDI review (140 HP)

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On a recent trip to Europe, I spent about 300 miles behind the wheel of a 2009 A4 2.0 TDI 6-speed manual. Since this was my first time driving a turbo diesel, I thought I’d relay my experiences. I owned a turbo gasser in the past (1.8T), so the whole concept of turbo lag is not new to me, although our current cars are all normally aspirated.

This particular power plant is also available in the US (on VW Golf/Jetta/Passat as well as Audi A3). It delivers 236 lb-ft of torque from 1750 to 2500 rpm.

Long story short, this would make a great commuter engine when good fuel economy is paramount. I averaged about 43 mpg (US) in mixed driving, and I wasn’t even trying to go for fuel economy.

From a performance standpoint though, I was not impressed. First of all, there is a little indicator in the OBC display that signals if the car thinks you should shift to the next gear. But this again is geared toward achieving max fuel economy. For example, it suggests to shift to 6th gear at as little as 75 km/h (45 mph). However, when you do that, you’ll be at about 1300 rpm in 6th gear. When you press the accelerator pedal at that point, very little will happen. You’d need to downshift to 4th to get going again. Even at 2000 rpm, turbo lag is quite noticeable. I know it’s a matter of getting used to, but having driven NA engines for the past few years, it was just a little too annoying for me personally. To get a relatively quick response from the engine, you really need to be at around 2500 rpm, but that is where the torque starts falling off and you’re only 2k rpms away from redline at that point. That is a very narrow usable rpm range if you prefer a more sporty driving style, and requires very frequent gear changes since 2k rpm goes by very quickly. But again, this engine was mainly geared toward good fuel economy, so I can't blame it for that. There are many other engines available to satisfy a more sporty appetite. I am tempted to drive an S4 now because I liked everything else about the car…

Gearbox was very nice. Very short throws with solid yet not harsh feel. Huge improvement over my 2001 A4 where I ended up installing a short shift kit, and even then, it wasn’t as nice as this stock shifter. Much nicer shifter feel than my 530i as well.


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Maybe the DSG will improve the peakiness of the motor? That might be best to avoid rowing the gears all the time. Im also very surprised that the Audi shifts better than your E39, usually BMW is the benchmark for shift quality besides throw length. My 97 1.8t has about 4 inches of shifter play in any gear, I know what you mean about their shift quality.
 
Diesels are a different kind of drive. My 30yo MB diesels dont exhibit the kind of lag you describe, though i only have 4 forward gears. I havent driven my brother's 11 golf tdi enough to notice, but he has the indicator and I'd guess that the shift pattern is the same. I think your assessment of the logic being oriented towards MPG is right, but the engine has plenty of torque. It might not breathe out to 7000RPM, but it will make enough torque to move along well through its range. The a4 is heavier, and if it has awd, that sucks power too.

I'd love an a4 wagon with tdi and mt, I'd buy one tomorrow.

Thanks for the review.
 
Originally Posted By: Audios
Maybe the DSG will improve the peakiness of the motor? That might be best to avoid rowing the gears all the time.

For sure. While I love manual transmissions, the amount of shifting in this car was just a little too much.
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Originally Posted By: Audios
Im also very surprised that the Audi shifts better than your E39, usually BMW is the benchmark for shift quality besides throw length.


While the clutch was horrible, the shifter on our 94 integra was the best, IMO.

BMWs I've found are sensitive to fluid quality. I stopped using redline because while it felt great at first, it lost its feel in time, while amsoil has stayed much more consistent.

So the E39 might have a fluid issue, especially of redline is in there.

The wife's 08 rabbit has a very nice, short and smooth shifter. It is quite good, so I can only imagine a new Audi to be better.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
It might not breathe out to 7000RPM, but it will make enough torque to move along well through its range.

Agreed. You could fairly easily keep up with the traffic flow and never have to go past 2500 rpm in this car in normal driving.

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I'd love an a4 wagon with tdi and mt, I'd buy one tomorrow.

Yeah, it's a shame you can't get a manual A4/S4 Avant in the US anymore, regardless of engine.
 
My friends 11 golf TDI has a very nice throw, and feels secure in gear. He does about 24k a year and so far no complaints. Its actually almost as quiet, if not quieter, than his 02 jetta 1.8. Great motor in these new diesels, Id love to get one and mod it a little for some extra power.
In my experiences, I try to stick with the OE BMW MTL when changing fluids. Not cheap, but maybe its just for piece of mind. Although Im sure the cost may have something to do with the fact its a "lifetime" fluid.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
So the E39 might have a fluid issue, especially of redline is in there.

I have OEM fluid (Pentosin) in there now, but even with RP Synchromax it felt no different. It's just a long throw and a bit of a rubbery feel. Nothing bad, but that A4 felt better - shorter throws and less rubbery feel.
 
The DSG transmission is very well suited to the TDI. No gaps, lag or other issues. In fact, it was darn near perfect. There is no way I could shift that fast. And, certainly the 6th to 3rd downshift was always perfectly predicted and timed.

That is, when it worked...

Too bad the rest of the TDI was such and utter piece of cccc.
 
not true,

tdi cars are ridiculously expensive to maintain at the dealer (stealership)

i have 2 of them, you change the oil once a year or every 10,000 miles, and it is too easy to do

regarding the power 236 ft/lb of torque is a lot for a small car and you can easily chip these cars to add even more power

there is an emissions legal tune here that adds 20 hp and over 60 ft pounds of torque

http://malonetuning.com/?page_id=564

is 300ft/lb at idle enough for you?

another option

http://dieseltuning.ca/modules/2_channel_cr.html

go to http://www.tdiclub.com/ for more info

both my cars are chipped and are very strong, particularly on the highway as you are driving inside the peak torque curve
 
Originally Posted By: Vikas
Is 140hp adequate for the car of that size?

- Vikas

It's certainly adequate, but it's no speed demon - you can't have a sports car AND still achieve lawnmower-like fuel consumption.
 
Driving a similar-weight car with only 138 hp, yes, it's adequate. It's no speed demon, but that's not the mission.
 
We rented a 2009 Jetta Sportwagen TDI the summer of '10 and I loved it. It hauled our family of 5 with luggage through the alps and I rarely had to shift out of 5th to maintain speed on relatively steep inclines. I drive MT cars and bikes everyday so my perspective may differ from yours but after two weeks I was utterly impressed with the overall performance and 600 miles per tank didn't hurt either!

Here is a pic of our rental with one of mad King Ludwig's castles in the background....

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I prefer a diesel car.

Diesels make all their power in the lower RPM range which is where you run a motor in the real world. Ditch the manual, hook it up to an auto it would be fine.

With any boosted car its all about staying on boost if you want to go, and staying off boost if you want to save on fuel.

I love diesels, they are so simple compared to gas cars. If you want a lot of power you just need to dump as much fuel into them as you can, and force air into them until the pistons are just on the verge of melting.

Oh and they are not all low RPM motors, the performance ones run up to about 6k+.



4 cylinders are a bit weak, but a Mercedes 603/606 is a great place to start. More so the 606 because it has a fantastic four valve dual overhead cam head, so it will simply outflow the 603's head.



As they say, get on boost!



I don't know about Audi in the A4 but bother Mercedes and BMW offer big boy diesel motors in their cars.
 
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Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
I don't know about Audi in the A4 but bother Mercedes and BMW offer big boy diesel motors in their cars.

Audi does too. There is a 3.0 TDI available in the A4/A6. They also have a 4.2 TDI (V8) available in the A8 - 350 HP and 590 lb-ft of torque, makes the heavy A8 go from 0 to 60 mph in 5.5 seconds, and still gets 38 MPG hwy. Must be nice.

Then there is the 6.0 TDI (V12) in a Q7...
 
Originally Posted By: jigen
great pics!


Thanks, that first one is a little washed out.

How is that Golf of yours holding up? The Golf/Rabbit or whatever they are calling it this week is on my short list to replace the Civic.

Here is my favorite pic from that Europe trip...

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