1990 Cavalier...A sucess story.

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My friend called me last week to tell me just how long the original clutch will last in a '90 Cavalier.

You ready for this?

316,977 miles! The pressure plate finally broke and the clutch will no longer release.

That's not all...It's still on its original head gasket too!

She bought the car a year old with ~40k on it, and has driven the wheels off it ever since. It's been all over the country, and makes at least two trips a year from WI to AZ to visit her family.

I do all the work on it, but looking at what was going to need to be done to replace the clutch, I told her to junk it. The axle nuts are so rusted that there's no hex left to them, and the bellhousing bolts are not much better. Not to mention it'd be darn near impossible to put it on the hoist...The unibody is so rotted that there's no pinch weld left on the rear to lift on anymore.

The car looks like it's survived nuclear winter...It's been in 3 major accidents, and countless fender-benders, most of which have never been fixed. She just pocketed the insurance money and saved it to go towards keeping the car alive.

I hated driving that piece of junk, but it just blew me away that it ran as good as it did with as many miles as it had on it. Still got over 30 MPG on the highway too, and had enough power to surprise drivers of cars that are supposedly faster.

Other than just a few minor repairs such as a couple starters, a couple alternators, a water pump, a radiator and FIVE heater cores (lifetime warranty from NAPA), nothing has really failed that was anything I'd consider a major expense.

She always uses Pennzoil 5W30 and Fram oil filters. OCIs range from ~3500 to over 10,000 miles. It doesn't consume /leak more than a quart in 3000 miles or so.

I just recently sold her a '92 Cavalier to replace this one. It's got ~80k on it. We'll see how many miles this one gets out of it.
 
"...how long the original clutch will last in a '90 Cavalier...316,977 miles!"

Sheeeeesh..... lousy GM cars.

Why can't they get a gazillion miles outta' their clutches like the Nissotas and Mazdais?
 
Now *that's* thrifty!
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I'm still buzzin' right along on the Neon's factory clutch- at almost 195,000 miles.
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I fully expect to make my target 300K on it.
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My wife's early 90's Pontiac Sunbird (same as cavalier) was extremely reliable. We only had to replace the driver's seat once, coolant reservoir replaced, and one timing belt replaced during its 200k miles with us before we sold it to someoen.
 
When driven on highway distances, cars last WAY longer than they do in the city. It's very simple - fewer heat cycles per miles driven, fewer cold starts per miles driven, less shifting and slipping the clutch into gear - the clutch doesn't wear when it's not being slipped into gear, and so on.
 
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Originally posted by Drew:
My wife's early 90's Pontiac Sunbird (same as cavalier) was extremely reliable. We only had to replace the driver's seat once, coolant reservoir replaced, and one timing belt replaced during its 200k miles with us before we sold it to someoen.

My wife's parents bought her a nearly new '90 Sunbird when she was in college. I'm still driving it now as my work car. It even survived a collision with a deer in May. It has 158k Miles on it, and it's still on the original head gasket too! It runs great still and gets over 30 mpg on the highway.
 
My 1991 Sunbird experience was far different, two head gaskets for the 2.0L OHC engine, and one broken shaft inside the transmission.

Got rid of it before 80K miles.
 
Ahh...memories. I believe 1991 is when Pontiac shoehorned the 3.1 V6 into the Sunbird's engine bay. I was working at a Pontiac dealer that year, and what a blast that car was. We had a 5-speed on the lot that I made up excuses to drive all the time. I was disappointed to see GM wipe out that option on the following generation J car.
 
I drove a '89 Sunbird from '96 to '01 and while by the time I got rid of it the car was pretty rough looking, it was unstoppable. I sold it to a neighbor who eventually smashed it but it was at 280,000 miles.

Here in the rurals of Michigan there are still alot of that generation J car around. THey had a pretty good rep for being reliable fairly easy/cheap to work on. They probably aren't the highest quality economy car, but they certainly could take some abuse.
 
My wife's family had one of those old Cavaliers, although I think theirs was one of the first years the car was built (early - mid 80's?). It survived several accidents and a lot of miles before being retired. By the end of it's life, the door latch had broken, so they put a barrel bolt on it to keep it closed. To get out of the car, you had to roll the window down, reach out and undo the bolt.
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Originally posted by dwendt44:
300,000 miles on a stock head gasket, on a GM 4 cylinder????
Call Ripley's 'Believe It or Not'.
If I believed in miracles, that would be one.


You ain't kiddin! I think maybe all the rust and crud in the cooling system was plugging up the potential leak spots as they were forming. There was a little green crust on the front of #4 cylinder where they always start to leak, but nothing was wet and there was no coolant loss.
 
Had a 1982 Cadillac cimarron in 1999 that I got for $700. Drove it for a year and sold it off for $525. Didn't know as much about cars then and only did oil changes and plugs/wires/cap/rotor and a thermostat. Oh, and vacuum hose maintenance. Only year they put a carburetor in a J-body... 1983 saw throttle body injection.

Sure, it bogged when you hit the gas if you were facing uphill at a red light. Something in that horrendously complex 2-barrel wasn't quite kosher. But the super leather power seats, sound deadening, and push-button manual tune radio made up for the 85 hp.
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Mine is the one on the right.
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Well, I was wrong...

It wasn't a broken pressure plate like I had originally thought.
Turns out all it was was a failed hydraulic master or slave cylinder. On these cars, they're one unit, so you just replace the whole works if it doesn't work.

My friend is going to go out to a local salvage yard where they let you pull your own parts, and get one, and install it. I'm willing to bet it's going to work.

Which brings me to a bittersweet conclusion...I'm absolutely dumbfounded that the clutch may have even more life left in it, which is just going against any odds out there, but in another way somewhat disappointed that she's still going to be driving the stupid thing again. That car should have been crushed 5 years ago or better. The body/unibody is getting so rusty it's bordering on being unsafe, IMHO. At least 2 of the wheels are bent, so going interstate speeds creates such a horrible vibration that a soda in the cupholder will get all aerated and foam up when you go to drink it.

But she doesn't seem to care...She loves her car, and will keep fixing the little stuff till it either rots away completely and breaks into two pieces, or something big (like a failed clutch) happens and it turns out to be too big or costly of a job to do and still be justifiable in a car that's worth nothing more than its weight in scrap.

Women and their sentimental attatchment to cars still blows my mind. This was the first car she bought on her own with no help, and apparently she's so attatched to it that she's going to wring every last mile out of it before the sad day that it finally gets hauled off to the salvage yard. I'll be willing bet that she'll cry when it happens too. She was getting a little teary when I told her that the clutch was junk and I wasn't going to touch it.
Women!
 
Congrats on the car! I hear a lot of negative things about small American cars but I have seen quite the opposite. I have an 04 Sunfire (j body, I believe) and I wouldn't mind if that thing got to 400,000 miles - I live in California so, no rust here
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As for driving a car that vibrated that badly - I don't think I could do that... Crazy attachment to that car tho
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. Possible to get pictures maybe?
 
Yeah, but just imagine how much *BETTER* that car could've or would've been if it would've:

1. Been built by Toyota/Honda/Kia/Nissan/etc.
2. Used Redline synthetic oil and K&N oil filters
3. Been fed "top tier" gasoline
4. Had four or five Auto RX treatments
5. Been built by Hyundai/Mazda/Mitsubishi/etc.

Those darn American manufacturers just keep putting out junk, don't they?
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I'll see if I can pop a pic or two. It's nothing you'll want to be saving as a screensaver, trust me.

The other funny thing is her license plate is "MY POS".

She gets laughs and compliments all the time on that.

She got the master/slave cylinder today, and sometime this coming week, I'll help her get it installed, and we'll see just how many more miles she can get out of it. I'll fall over dead if that thing hits 400,000.
 
Mike, I'm sure the car's longevity is due - in no small part - to your maintenance and repair. My girlfriend's car is doing the same 'energizer bunny' thing at 173K.
 
Congrats on the car. We could all do it if we were willing I think.

Most people I know change cars because they're bored with them, not because there's anything significantly wrong with them. I over-maintain my cars and typically nothing significant goes wrong with them. My pick-up is my highest mile vehicle ever with 180k miles. I've had it for 8 years and it's perfect....except that I've become bored with it.

Your friend has figured out the only way to make transportation economical (assuming you're starting with a decent car in the first place). Just have to keep fixing it when things fail.
 
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