1911 failure to feed last round

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Just got back from the range with my newly purchased gun. Springfield Garrison 1911 and 45 ACP. Shot 100 rounds through it and it shot really well and Accurate. Had three failure to feeds on the last round with two separate Brand New Springfield mags. Should I try new mags like Wilson combat or will it break in with time or does it need to go back to Springfield for an adjustment?

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Last round failure to feed issues are usually the follower in the mag. It is letting the nose dive. Sometimes you can fix it by turning the spring around or stretching it a bit. If it is an L shaped follower make sure the leg is not bent, if it is a solid block type make sure there are no burrs or flashing that could drag and prevent the rear from coming all the way up.
I am assuming you are shooting 230 gr ball ammo and not some self defense cone shaped or semi wad cutter profile bullet. Those cause different issues and different fixes.
 
Last round failure to feed issues are usually the follower in the mag. It is letting the nose dive. Sometimes you can fix it by turning the spring around or stretching it a bit. If it is an L shaped follower make sure the leg is not bent, if it is a solid block type make sure there are no burrs or flashing that could drag and prevent the rear from coming all the way up.
I am assuming you are shooting 230 gr ball ammo and not some self defense cone shaped or semi wad cutter profile bullet. Those cause different issues and different fixes.
Yes 230 ball ammo thanks!
 
It's not a bad idea to stock up on mags anyway to see what does and doesn't work in your particular weapon. I've had great luck with Chip McCormick 8 round mags. Never heard a bad thing about Wilson Combat mags and grabbed a few of those to try out. Still waiting to get to the range with those and some Kimber mags I picked up cheap.
Bought a couple of 10 round Chip's and they don't work in my Colt Commanders so they went into the parts drawer.
 
FWIW. Retired police and a firearms instructor for over 20 years. Carried Kimber's for about 6 of those until I got tired of the weight on my skinny hips! This will upset a LOT of people but engineering-wise, any 8 round mag that is the same size as a 1911 7 round mag is going to have issues. I know the Marines use 8 round Wilson's and yada, yada, yada. I'm just speaking from over 20 years of experience and reading a lot about magazine design. There is so much tension in an 8 round 1911 mag that as the rounds above it get stripped out of the mag, they pull the lower ones forward in the mag body. I had a Kimber TLE that using Kimpro mags would do the craziest thing after chambering a round and topping the mag off so I had 9 total rounds in the piece. AFter the pistol fired the 8th round and as the slide traveled back to eject it and the slide was stopped by the recoil spring, the 8th round which had been pulled forward in the mag body by the round above it would jump free from the mag and the mag follower would make it jump out of the gun before the slide could come forward! I had to get someone to watch what was happening and then we figured out what was going on. Crazy! If I loaded 8 rounds and DID NOT TOP THE MAG OFF, it functioned fine. That is why so many 8 round 1911 mags have the raised lip on the top rear of the follower. This ridge catches the 8th round's case rim and tries to keep the round from getting dragged forward to prevent what was happening to my pistol.
The only mag I trusted my life with when I carried a 1911 on duty were Tripp CobraMags. About 15 years ago Virgil Tripp had a video and engineering paper on 1911 mags and explained why it is impossible to make a super reliable 1911 8 round mag based on a 7 round mag body. Unforetunately, that video and engiennering paper is no longer on the website. Tripp Cobra Mags are what he came up with. Virgil discovered that to make a reliable 8 round 1911 mag, you have to lengthen the mag body and use a special floorplate to keep the overall length down. He also makes the mag body walls thinner with better steel. This increase in volume and the extended length allows him to pack in more spring that has less total tension on the 8th round that lessens the chances of that 9th round misfeed. The NRA tested Cobra Mags with a GI spec Rock Island 1911 and the CobraMag feed everything! 185 semi-wad target loads, 200 grain "flying ashtray" rounds, etc. Cobra mags actually hold the round up inside the pistol a few thousandths of an inch to better assure feeding. Check them out. Sorry for being so long. Best of luck. Either load only 8 and don't top off or get some CobraMags. Oh, the Wilson Elite mags are their copy of the CobraMag.
 
I also have had 100% reliability over MANY years with Tripp's Cobra Mag...he used to sell conversion kits to make your whatever mags, "Cobra" mags but the would make 8 round flush fit mags become 7 rounders...but also they would now be 100% reliable

Good luck with your choice

Bill
 
7 round or 8 round mags? Any codes stamped into the baseplate? Dimples on the followers?

Also it looks sorta dry...

Assuming it's an actual failure to feed and not a FTRB - Checkmate, dimpled follower, hybrid lip. if that doesn't fix it it has to go back.
 
Also 2 - if the followers don't have a tang on the front or have a rounded top chances are they need to go in the round file.

Post pictures of magazine including feed lips and follower.
 
FWIW. Retired police and a firearms instructor for over 20 years. Carried Kimber's for about 6 of those until I got tired of the weight on my skinny hips! This will upset a LOT of people but engineering-wise, any 8 round mag that is the same size as a 1911 7 round mag is going to have issues. I know the Marines use 8 round Wilson's and yada, yada, yada. I'm just speaking from over 20 years of experience and reading a lot about magazine design. There is so much tension in an 8 round 1911 mag that as the rounds above it get stripped out of the mag, they pull the lower ones forward in the mag body. I had a Kimber TLE that using Kimpro mags would do the craziest thing after chambering a round and topping the mag off so I had 9 total rounds in the piece. AFter the pistol fired the 8th round and as the slide traveled back to eject it and the slide was stopped by the recoil spring, the 8th round which had been pulled forward in the mag body by the round above it would jump free from the mag and the mag follower would make it jump out of the gun before the slide could come forward! I had to get someone to watch what was happening and then we figured out what was going on. Crazy! If I loaded 8 rounds and DID NOT TOP THE MAG OFF, it functioned fine. That is why so many 8 round 1911 mags have the raised lip on the top rear of the follower. This ridge catches the 8th round's case rim and tries to keep the round from getting dragged forward to prevent what was happening to my pistol.
The only mag I trusted my life with when I carried a 1911 on duty were Tripp CobraMags. About 15 years ago Virgil Tripp had a video and engineering paper on 1911 mags and explained why it is impossible to make a super reliable 1911 8 round mag based on a 7 round mag body. Unforetunately, that video and engiennering paper is no longer on the website. Tripp Cobra Mags are what he came up with. Virgil discovered that to make a reliable 8 round 1911 mag, you have to lengthen the mag body and use a special floorplate to keep the overall length down. He also makes the mag body walls thinner with better steel. This increase in volume and the extended length allows him to pack in more spring that has less total tension on the 8th round that lessens the chances of that 9th round misfeed. The NRA tested Cobra Mags with a GI spec Rock Island 1911 and the CobraMag feed everything! 185 semi-wad target loads, 200 grain "flying ashtray" rounds, etc. Cobra mags actually hold the round up inside the pistol a few thousandths of an inch to better assure feeding. Check them out. Sorry for being so long. Best of luck. Either load only 8 and don't top off or get some CobraMags. Oh, the Wilson Elite mags are their copy of the CobraMag.
Very detailed and interesting post. My experience is much less, and isolated to Chip McCormick (CMC) Shooting Star and Colt branded 8 round mags purchased around 20 years ago. Fired out of 2 steel framed Colt Commanders and one 1911 Series 70 Gold Cup. Mags loaded to 8 rounds but not topped off after clambering a round. Ammo was cast lead reloads (many thousands) and commercial ball (a couple of thousand).
During the tactical portion of shooting mag dumps were done with a round or rounds left, resulting in 9 rounds loaded. During other portions of shooting, the gun was emptied - all 9 rounds were fired in that case if loaded.

I did not experience the failures you described, so I just visually compared some more recently purchased (cheap) new Kim Pro Tac Mags with my CMCs. Two differences I can see are the CMC followers are compressed about 1/16th" more than the Kim Pro. The CMC mag is also about 1/8th" longer. By very rough eyeball, it appears the CMC has about 3/16th" more spring travel over the Kim Pro because of those differences. Top of the follower and lips are very similar, with the top of the Kimber slightly steeper.
I look forward to trying out the Kim Pros if I ever get to the range again, and will duplicate your conditions to see if I have the same problem with my Commanders. If so, I'll know why the Kimbers were on sale.
 
7 round or 8 round mags? Any codes stamped into the baseplate? Dimples on the followers?

Also it looks sorta dry...

Assuming it's an actual failure to feed and not a FTRB - Checkmate, dimpled follower, hybrid lip. if that doesn't fix it it has to go back.

Dirty because I just came back from the range....
7 round or 8 round mags? Any codes stamped into the baseplate? Dimples on the followers?

Also it looks sorta dry...

Assuming it's an actual failure to feed and not a FTRB - Checkmate, dimpled follower, hybrid lip. if that doesn't fix it it has to go back.
it’s dirty because I just got back from the range 1 8rd 1 7rd mag

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By dry I mean oil not dirty not everyone will agree but I like them wet for the first few hundred, like slinging oil wet. The tighter the fit the wetter I like them.

The 8 round looks checkmate made to me, I prefer welded base though. It looks like hybrid lips too but I can’t be positive. The 7 round may be metalform and that’s not historically been good for me. I don’t like the line around the feed lips if that’s in fact a line.
 
Btw if you doo try it wetter try to keep the magazines them selves relatively dry.

With no more failures than that I’d be tempted to continue and keep meticulous track of which magazine acted up.

Also if you can find the old thread on 1911 forum or m1911.org titled “malfunction clinic” it might help.

A few failures in the first 100 rds is not immediate cause for panic though.
 
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