10k oil change - Fram Orange x2, or Fram Ultra x1?

[zerosoma]

If you were running a 10k OCI, with primarily highway miles going to and from New Orleans from another parish, and you were using a quality synthetic oil such as Castrol EDGE or Mobil 1, would you prefer to run an orange FRAM and swap it out at 5k for a new orange FRAM, or just run the Ultra the whole 10k way?

And for those who like to push it to what it says on the box, what if you did Orange FRAM for 10k, and Ultra for 20k?

Zero

 

[BrendanC]

If you were running a 10k OCI, with primarily highway miles going to and from New Orleans from another parish, and you were using a quality synthetic oil such as Castrol EDGE or Mobil 1, would you prefer to run an orange FRAM and swap it out at 5k for a new orange FRAM, or just run the Ultra the whole 10k way?

And for those who like to push it to what it says on the box, what if you did Orange FRAM for 10k, and Ultra for 20k?

Zero

i’d run a premium guard based filter first unless you can find an OG ultra. otherwise two orange cans currently due to the leaf spring ripple we’ve been seeing. the fiber end caps help make a seal.

 

[TheOilWizard]

10K with a high quality oil filter. Getting under the car to change out the filer only is a waste of time to me... May as well change the oil at that point.

 

[dnewton3]

Given your use and location, and assuming it's the 2GR-FE in your cars, I'd say 10k miles on the oil and standard EG filter, for two reasons:
- those are cartridge filters, so it's easy to inspect for defects prior to installation
- the engine is VERY easy on oil and filters, so nothing special is needed

 

[JeffKeryk]

All my cars do 5K (or a little less) oil change services with the MityVac and swap the filter every 2nd service.

 

[benjamming]

Of your options, I would do Ultra for 10k.

 

[JavierH19]

The ultra is a great choice, just look at the raving comments on here.

Thread 'Fram Ultra XG2 C&P.. New Unused'

Feb 26, 2025

Got it last week from Walmart.
I only picked up 2 because I have no use for them but they were just over $4 each. Regular shelf item with box.

No sloppy glue or oil. Very clean.
The adbv has a perfection fit and nothing sharp anywhere. The bypass valve is just like the others we have been seeing..a sloppy fit and the pictures tell the rest.

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[twX]

And for those who like to push it to what it says on the box, what if you did Orange FRAM for 10k, and Ultra for 20k?

The mileage ratings on the box are pretty much meaningless. Read the fine print and it will tell you not to exceed the change interval recommended by the automaker. The Ultra can reliably go 20k miles only if the automaker has sized the oil filter appropriately for that interval.

The Fram Ultra tends to have a dirt holding capacity that's around 50% higher than the Extraguard, so it's not quite capable of going twice the mileage in terms of dirt loading. An OEM Toyota filter will have an even higher holding capacity than the Fram Ultra, yet it's only "rated" for 10k miles in this application. I wouldn't go more than 10k on the Ultra.

If you cut the filter open after 10k and it still looks really clean (media is still light in colour after it's been dried out), then it might be safe to extend the interval.

I'd avoid the orange cans entirely, even for short intervals, simply due to the fact that the fibre end caps have been known to sometimes be too large, which has been known to cause oil pressure issues and engine failures.

 

[gfh77665]

Ultra for 10K. I don't want to change oil filters any more than necessary. That, and you get a better filter on for longer.

 

[fantastic]

EG simply due to you might have a higher chance of getting one without ruffles but the opposite may be true as well. From a purely maintenance effort the ultra makes sense to change once per ODI.

 

[dnewton3]

An OEM Toyota filter will have an even higher holding capacity than the Fram Ultra, yet it's only "rated" for 10k miles in this application. I wouldn't go more than 10k on the Ultra.

I'd be interested to see your data to back up this claim that OE Toyota filters can hold more particulate than an Ultra. Especially given they can't come close to catching as much as an Ultra can in terms of efficiency.

I'd avoid the orange cans entirely, even for short intervals, simply due to the fact that the fibre end caps have been known to sometimes be too large, which has been known to cause oil pressure issues and engine failures.

What? WHAT???
Where's the evidence of these caps being "too large"? I'm confident these are either stamp-die-cut, or rolling-die-cut in a mass production process. These are going to be VERY uniform in size because of the dies. (These aren't hand cut by underage kids with rusty scissors in the back of a candle-lit sweatshop, after all.) If one is on-size, they all will be. Further, just how is it that these supposed oversized caps will somehow cause "pressure issues and engine failures"? I'll ask you to provide photo evidence of these issues, along with detailed credible evidence of the failures.


Not to be rude, but I find claims such as these just pure hogwash.

 

[sw91]

Wasn't one of your choices, but I'd go with a Fram TG for the 10k.

 

[ZeeOSix]

The mileage ratings on the box are pretty much meaningless. Read the fine print and it will tell you not to exceed the change interval recommended by the automaker. The Ultra can reliably go 20k miles only if the automaker has sized the oil filter appropriately for that interval.

That's why is says "up to". In some cases, like with Honda's A/B schedule, it could get real close to the "up to" mileage rating. No filter maker is going to say use it longer than the vehicle manufacturer's recommendations.

 

[ZeeOSix]

I'd avoid the orange cans entirely, even for short intervals, simply due to the fact that the fibre end caps have been known to sometimes be too large, which has been known to cause oil pressure issues and engine failures.

Got some credible info to back up that claim?

 

[ZeeOSix]

That, and you get a better filter on for longer.

That's a long lived misconception. Oil filters get less efficient as they load up and the dP across the media increases. Proven in the Ascent ISO testing, and other sources.

 

[ZeeOSix]

If you were running a 10k OCI, with primarily highway miles going to and from New Orleans from another parish, and you were using a quality synthetic oil such as Castrol EDGE or Mobil 1, would you prefer to run an orange FRAM and swap it out at 5k for a new orange FRAM, or just run the Ultra the whole 10k way?

Just go get a Carquest Premium at AAP or MicroGard Select at O'Reilly's. Good efficiency and rated to 10K miles. Cost would be about the same as two EGs, and you'd only have to do one filter change per OCI.

 

[ZeeOSix]

I'd be interested to see your data to back up this claim that OE Toyota filters can hold more particulate than an Ultra. Especially given they can't come close to catching as much as an Ultra can in terms of efficiency.

It comes from YouTube BR's holding capacity testing. The OE Toyota filter can hold more debris, like the Wix XP in Ascent's testing, because the efficiency is low and it takes a lot more debris to finally load up the media to the point the delta dP from a new filter has reached the level to stop the test.

 

[RobbS]

I would run a 20k mile filter and keep it on till your ready to change the oil. Makes sense to me. Run one single filter.
Mobil1 EP, BOSS, and even Fram has one rated for 10k mile plus. I've run these filters (Mobil1 EP) for hundreds of thousand miles with no issues.

 

[tig1]

I used MC oil filters for many years all at 10K OCIs. Probably put at least 700,000 miles +with the MC filters in Fords. Stopped using them last year when the black glue started showing up in my oil change pan.

 

[fantastic]

I'd be interested to see your data to back up this claim that OE Toyota filters can hold more particulate than an Ultra. Especially given they can't come close to catching as much as an Ultra can in terms of efficiency.

Hello Dnewton3, I have no data for the Toyota model but I wanted to share some data I do have. Lower efficiency filters can have very high holding capacity & some OEM's have elected to go that route. Here is the OEM Mann filter spec sheet for my XC90 as an example. You can see it shows a whopping 38 grams of holding capacity.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/l25692-purolator-classic-specification-sheet.375069/